English players at RFC - do you care?

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by From Despair To Where? » 04 Jul 2012 07:54

Royal Dee dont really care tbh and i dont like the rules that a team has to play a certain number of "home grown" players this asserts that english players are not good enough to get into a team on their own merit and without aid. We should be focusing on why english players are not getting picked in the EPL, focus on the solution to the problem not the symptom! e.g. improve english youth football etc... its all been said before really but i think forcing average players to mix in with the top players isnt going to make them top players (the saying you cant polish a turd comes to mind)



Absolutely agree.

It's exactly what the Germans and the French before them have done in response to failure at an international level but you need to allow 10 years to see a nett benefit and who's given 10 months, let alone 10 years to get things right in football these days?

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Extended-Phenotype » 04 Jul 2012 08:52

It's kinda sh/t if you are an English team, but cannot contribute any promise to the national side. That bugs me, especially if you are a top side in the country. I think it's important that if you are playing under the FA you should be providing something to the pool.

I also feel that it's important for competitive reasons that a club has at least some recognition/representation of where it is based (i.e. local lads, academy lads), otherwise it kind of cheapens the support and name of the side. Why should anyone have an affinity with the team if they all are from or where developed anywhere but Liverpool/Exeter/Reading/Newcastle/Chelsea etc.

How can a team represent the town, city or country otherwise?

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Green » 04 Jul 2012 13:36

From Despair To Where?
Royal Dee dont really care tbh and i dont like the rules that a team has to play a certain number of "home grown" players this asserts that english players are not good enough to get into a team on their own merit and without aid. We should be focusing on why english players are not getting picked in the EPL, focus on the solution to the problem not the symptom! e.g. improve english youth football etc... its all been said before really but i think forcing average players to mix in with the top players isnt going to make them top players (the saying you cant polish a turd comes to mind)



Absolutely agree.

It's exactly what the Germans and the French before them have done in response to failure at an international level but you need to allow 10 years to see a nett benefit and who's given 10 months, let alone 10 years to get things right in football these days?

The bureaucrats at the top, that's who. And questions need to be asked of the gentlemens club in Soho square.

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Royal Bahamas » 04 Jul 2012 21:39

It's a big world and the Fan Base for the Club can be enlarged by having players from different areas and Nations. Personally, I would like to see at least one Reading bred Player in the Team at all times. Then, the majority of the Players be from the British Isles, home Nations. The reamaining Players to be from Europe/Asia, with one possible from US/S. America.

This way you get the best of 'All Worlds', with a strong 'Home Crowd' to pay the Player's wages!

This mentality would also help strengthen the 'Home Nation' Teams, which really do need a boost!

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Green » 04 Jul 2012 22:01

Royal Bahamas It's a big world and the Fan Base for the Club can be enlarged by having players from different areas and Nations. Personally, I would like to see at least one Reading bred Player in the Team at all times. Then, the majority of the Players be from the British Isles, home Nations. The reamaining Players to be from Europe/Asia, with one possible from US/S. America.

This way you get the best of 'All Worlds', with a strong 'Home Crowd' to pay the Player's wages!

This mentality would also help strengthen the 'Home Nation' Teams, which really do need a boost!

Can't understand why you'd want this as your ideal - but fair enough.

How far would you go to enforce this - given that when you're choosing players to sign you're matching a myriad of factors - wages & contract, age, position, fitness, squad fit, whatever else - to what extent would you prioritise nationality over other factors to keep the balance you describe?

Would you for example pay a player 20% more than the market rate to sign them to make up your quota? Or 50%?


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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by GSY-Royal » 04 Jul 2012 22:12

Royal Bahamas It's a big world and the Fan Base for the Club can be enlarged by having players from different areas and Nations. Personally, I would like to see at least one Reading bred Player in the Team at all times. Then, the majority of the Players be from the British Isles, home Nations. The reamaining Players to be from Europe/Asia, with one possible from US/S. America.

This way you get the best of 'All Worlds', with a strong 'Home Crowd' to pay the Player's wages!

This mentality would also help strengthen the 'Home Nation' Teams, which really do need a boost!


Poor poor Jimmy. But hey, most of Africa is already hugely impoverished and stricken by war, we may as well rub salt into their wounds by not allowing them into the Premier League. :wink:

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Royal Bahamas » 05 Jul 2012 00:15

LOL!

Remember,.......we ALL come from Africa!

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by BrockManson » 05 Jul 2012 09:19

Trevor Brooking's job to ensure we have prime English talent coming through the ranks of the country's youth system, isn't it?

There's a man who turns up to work, sits down on his office chair and spins round going Wheeeeeeeeee!, counting down the days until his massive retirement payday.

In all seriousness Reading always seem to try and introduce academy players - Sigurdsson the prime example of how it's a policy that's paying off (i'd count him as a product of the academy even though he wasn't born and raised in Witley Wood). Church is another first teamer (albeit inexplicably), HRK too on the fringes so it's an encouraging rate of blooding the youngsters.

Personally so long as the club sign players who give a toss and won't have their heads turned too easy like the 106 team (half of them were out the door long before relegation was ever on the horizon) then I'm happy. Now though there's more academy players pushing for games with the first team, which is testament to how well the management team are doing.

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Alexander Litvinenko » 05 Jul 2012 09:42

The problem is the higher up the leagues you go, the harder it is to introduce youngsters - each match means more and is worth more, is higher profile and more pressurised, so if a kid playd badly the impact is much higher for the team and for him.

It's a lot easier to give a kid a debut at home to Peterborough than it is away to Man Utd, for example, and there aren't really any "easier" games, as well as having 8 fewer games to make up any points lost as a result.

Just ask Simon Cox, the last time we were in the PL.


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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Extended-Phenotype » 05 Jul 2012 10:22

Until you put a cap on how much you can spend on transfers, clubs will always look to the quick-fix ready-mades available in the world pool, rather than the promise requiring nurture in their backyard.

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Alexander Litvinenko » 05 Jul 2012 11:12

Extended-Phenotype Until you put a cap on how much you can spend on transfers, clubs will always look to the quick-fix ready-mades available in the world pool, rather than the promise requiring nurture in their backyard.


Indeed - because the PL is all about the short-term. Very few clubs can afford to take a long-term view because they don't know if they'll still be there the next year, and the financial impact of not being there can literally threaten the club's very existence.

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Re: English players at RFC - do you care?

by Royal Bahamas » 05 Jul 2012 20:34

But Reading really have done things in a different way, and the 'Reading Way' leads itself to building from within. Just because other Teams have gone for the "quick fix", it doesn't mean that Reading will follow suit. The long term strategy of RFC has enabled it to be almost debt free, where others have fallen badly, and yet RFC have still risen to the highest League in the land! Yes, we are 'buying in' at this time, but that does not stop us being fiscally correct in our dealings. So far our expenses are over the long term, in the form of wages. I would be very surprised if there were not a few Premier League Managers wondering how we have manged to do so much, at so little cost.
The proof will be in the results for this coming season, and I DO expect us to be in the top half of the Premier at the end of the season, with even more to come in the future. Our greatest asset is Brian McD. and "In Him We Trust"! As long as we remain a 'TEAM' we will SUCCEED!

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