CONFIMRED - Glenn Murray on loan

[mambo3]

Post the Birmingham game Murray was a goal every 215 minutes, and that's in a side who had won just 2 in 14?

No, that's incorrect.

First of all, after Birmingham Reading were 3 wins in 14.
During those 14 games Murray started 13, playing 1136 minutes (+injury time).
During those 1136 minutes Murray scored 4 goals.
1136/4 = 284 minutes per goal.


Murray has been shit since debut. I couldn't give a oxf*rd if he works hard or links up play.
He's not here to hold the ball up, or flick it on, or win cheap free kicks.
He's here to put the ball in the back of the oxf*rd net.
And he's failing miserably.

1 goal in his last 630 minutes.
1 goal from his last 20 shots.
Pathetic.

If Dominic Samuel had started the last 7 games and only scored once, despite having 20 shots, people would write him off as shit. Yet Murray gets away with putting in poor performance after poor performance. And some of you lot still want to spend £1.5 million on him, and keep giving him £25,000 for the next few years. Are you fcking mad?

'But he scored 30 goals for Palace 2 years ago.' If anyone should be financially rewarding Murray for what he did for Palace two years ago, it should be fcking Palace, not us.

Samuel 8 goals in 9 games this season

[Ian Royal]

20 shots and only 4 on target. Says it all really.

Yeah, it's about 12 shots more than Pog would get.

[Wycombe Royal]

20 shots and only 4 on target. Says it all really.

Yeah, it's about 12 shots more than Pog would get.

But I didn't say Pog was the answer did I?

[Snowball]

I was quoting the stats directly from transfrmkt

Neat trick to ignore a third of his goals (2 versus Fulham)

[P!ssed Off]

I was quoting the stats directly from transfrmkt

Neat trick to ignore a third of his goals (2 versus Fulham)

It was you that set the parameter as the previous 14 games.

[RoyalBlue]

Skirmishes and arguments between players on the training ground when a team is performing really badly and everyone is under pressure?! I would have been worried if there hadn't been some of that. At least it shows some of the players care.

I suspect the same would happen at most clubs in a similar situation.

[sandman]

Uh oh Snowbell, PO's stepping on your anally retentive stattoes.

[Bob1871]

Considering his reputation as a goal scorer his finishing is pretty poor. Yes he offers a lot more off the ball but on Saturday he had two great chances and didn't even hit the target!

[Sanguine]

Murray has been shit since debut. I couldn't give a oxf*rd if he works hard or links up play.
He's not here to hold the ball up, or flick it on, or win cheap free kicks.
He's here to put the ball in the back of the oxf*rd net.
And he's failing miserably.

Bizarre post. Surely when you buy a strong, 6ft striker at this level, you want him to do all of those things (as well as score)?

[BraisingsteakRoyal]

Murray has been shit since debut. I couldn't give a oxf*rd if he works hard or links up play.
He's not here to hold the ball up, or flick it on, or win cheap free kicks.
He's here to put the ball in the back of the oxf*rd net.
And he's failing miserably.

Bizarre post. Surely when you buy a strong, 6ft striker at this level, you want him to do all of those things (as well as score)?

To be honest - the Pog gives us all of that (including the not scoring bit).

[From Despair To Where?]

20 shots and only 4 on target. Says it all really.

Yeah, it's about 12 shots more than Pog would get.

Granted, Pog would only manage 8 shots but I bet 5 would be on target.

Let's be honest, neither Pog or Murray are the answer to our problems.

[Ian Royal]

20 shots and only 4 on target. Says it all really.

Yeah, it's about 12 shots more than Pog would get.

Granted, Pog would only manage 8 shots but I bet 5 would be on target.

Let's be honest, neither Pog or Murray are the answer to our problems.

I have my doubts.

[Forbury Lion]

If Murray is doing all the linkup play, holding the ball up and passing but isn't able to score, why not play him behind another striker who can score..... This is where a Le Fondre or Cureton type fox in the box would thrive, Maybe Simon Cox should track back less/get involved and be that man.

Yes he may have been taken on loan for his goal scoring record but as long as he plays a part in a winning team, I'm happy for Murray never taking a scoring or taking a shot on goal.

[Ian Royal]

Confidence and form is key. Slightly better performances and a couple of results will see Murray and the team more successful.

No one has been able to give a single credible suggestion for where we'd find better for cheaper yet.

[From Despair To Where?]

Yeah, it's about 12 shots more than Pog would get.

Granted, Pog would only manage 8 shots but I bet 5 would be on target.

Let's be honest, neither Pog or Murray are the answer to our problems.

I have my doubts.

Pog's ratio of shots on target has always been pretty high. The criticism has been that he doesn't get into goal scoring positions.

What's worse, not getting into a decent positions nearly enough or hitting Row Z 5 times a game?

[From Despair To Where?]

Confidence and form is key. Slightly better performances and a couple of results will see Murray and the team more successful.

No one has been able to give a single credible suggestion for where we'd find better for cheaper yet.

I think the main thrust of the argument is that, with FFP, a permanent deal for Murray doesn't offer value for money in this climate, especially when there are other areas of the team that urgently need strengthening. It's a big gamble considering his current form. Do we basically spend the whole budget for the window on a 31 year old on relatively high wages and in poor form?

The alternative is to stick with Pog, because we are stuck with him potentially for the next 18 months and FFP makes paying up his contract a non option this season, strengthen elsewhere and re-evaluate in the summer when high earners like Guthrie and Drenthe are off the payroll.

[Ian Royal]

Granted, Pog would only manage 8 shots but I bet 5 would be on target.

Let's be honest, neither Pog or Murray are the answer to our problems.

I have my doubts.

Pog's ratio of shots on target has always been pretty high. The criticism has been that he doesn't get into goal scoring positions.

What's worse, not getting into a decent positions nearly enough or hitting Row Z 5 times a game?

not getting in the positions.

[Wycombe Royal]

I have my doubts.

Pog's ratio of shots on target has always been pretty high. The criticism has been that he doesn't get into goal scoring positions.

What's worse, not getting into a decent positions nearly enough or hitting Row Z 5 times a game?

not getting in the positions.

Disagree. both are equally as bad.

[SCIAG]

So to clarify, Player A will get a shot away 5 times a match when otherwise the ball would have gone to the opposition, but Player B just won't get the shot away?

You've got to go with Player A. Even if his shots usually miss, he's got a better chance of scoring.

[Wycombe Royal]

So to clarify, Player A will get a shot away 5 times a match when otherwise the ball would have gone to the opposition, but Player B just won't get the shot away?

You've got to go with Player A. Even if his shots usually miss, he's got a better chance of scoring.

Not necessarily because you don't know what player B is going to do with the ball. With player A possession has been lost, with player B possession could have been retained if he was in the position to receive the ball.

Ultimately however neither scenario instantly results in a goal. Ultimately in comes down to who would score the most regularly and from evidence we have seen of both these strikers there isn't a huge amount to choose between them and neither provide the answer for us.