Chelsea (A) Match Thread *sponsored by Coles Choc ices*

[Man Friday]

...in which case Torres looks even more offside than he actually is/was.

[Platypuss]

How was the 4th goal allowed to stand?? 1 Reading player between the goal and the ball, which was definitely played forwards. That's Offside too...there must be two players.

Most awful refereeing team in history!?!

errrrr this ^^^^ ?

agreed if its passed forrward its offside but not in this case as it was a pass sideways not forward

It doesn't matter which way the ball goes - if the receiving player is behind the ball when it's played it's not offside.

[No Fixed Abode]

Cheating Chelsea scumbags (supporters silent for most of the game) celebrating like they actually deserved that win.

TBF - I was surprised how quiet the Reading fans were in their cup final.

[No Fixed Abode]

Anyone know this guy?


lol

What a complete helm.

[Hoop Blah]

As bad a decision as the Lino made for the 3rd, Harte could've made it even easier to get right if he'd held the line properly. As it was I think he dropped a yard or two behind the centre halfs and gave Torres the space to make his run.

[larry1971]

bad decision but it won't be the last poor offside decision given against us - Feders should of done better with Chelsea's 2nd but over all it was a pretty decent performance.

[E. Andrew]

Anyone got a link to the actual offside rule? You're confusing the hell out of me here.

In the offisides rule, we do all realize that 'second-to-last deffender' means the last non-keeper, yeah? And there's nothing wrong with Chelsea's fourth, as the two running in were never in front of the ball.



The blue forward on the left of the diagram is in an offside position as he is in front of both the second-to-last defender (marked by the dotted line) and the ball. Note that this does not necessarily mean he is committing an offside offence; it only becomes an offence if the ball were to be played to him at this moment, whether or not he is in an offside position when he receives the ball, as he could receive the ball in an onside position but he'd still have committed an offside offence.

[cmonurz]

No, it doesn't strictly mean 'the last non-keeper' - the situation changes when your fatty keeper is puffing his way back over the halfway line as the opposition right back slots the ball home.

But yes, in terms of the goal, the ball went backwards, so it's all irrelevant.

[MouldyRoyal]

Ball doesn't even have to go backwards, as long as Ivanovic was behind the ball when it was played, it could have been played forward, him run on to it and score and it would be allowed.

[E. Andrew]

No, it doesn't strictly mean 'the last non-keeper' -

I meant for the third

the situation changes when your fatty keeper is puffing his way back over the halfway line as the opposition right back slots the ball home.
But yes, in terms of the goal, the ball went backwards, so it's all irrelevant.

...Does ball direction matter? If they're behind the ball when it's played, forward, backward, up... shouldn't matter?

[E. Andrew]

Ball doesn't even have to go backwards, as long as Ivanovic was behind the ball when it was played, it could have been played forward, him run on to it and score and it would be allowed.

^^^ Missed this. Agree.

[Esteban]

Also, I'm sorry because I know he tries hard, but there is no other team in the premiership who will have to put on a player like Noel Hunt in the hope that he can change a game.

I agree with you in general terms, but to be fair to Hunt, he was asked to play his usual game of hurrying defenders and putting himself about last night. We brought on Le Fondre and switched to 4-4-2 in order to change the game.

I think it's fine to have a player like Hunt in the 25, but our downfall as it stands is that we have Hunt and Church. They both work very hard, but perhaps don't give us the goalscoring threat we need from the bench. We do need to bring in one more up front.

[Hoop Blah]

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_11_offside_en_47383.pdf

This might help a few people out.

Ball direction doesn't matter, as long as it's played or touched by someone on the attacking team.
You can be offside even if the ball is played backwards, but only if you're ahead of the ball when it was played.
Goalkeeper doesn't matter as such, it's only the 2nd to last member of the defending team which usually happens to be the last defender because in most situations the keeper is some distance behind them.

Slides 14 and 15 also go someway to clear up the issue around when a player is or isn't flagged before touching the ball. A player doesn't always have to touch the ball to be offside IF in the opinion of the official no other teammate of the offside player has the opportunity to play the ball.

[maffff]

Also, I'm sorry because I know he tries hard, but there is no other team in the premiership who will have to put on a player like Noel Hunt in the hope that he can change a game.

You're right. I would much rather have had Conor Sammon like Wigan last season.

[cmonurz]

You can be offside even if the ball is played backwards, but only if you're ahead of the ball when it was played.

Technically correct, but how would a player be deemed 'active' if he's ahead of the ball, but the ball is played backwards (i.e. a few yards behind him). I guess he could be bearing down on the keeper.

[Hoop Blah]

Distracting the keeper or defender looking to play the ball or then turning back to get the ball that was passed behind him.

Both would, I think, be correctly given as offside.

I always thought the ball had to be played forwards until a year or so ago (might even have been as a result of a conversation on here) but I guess that's more in practice than in theory.

[philM]

..the situation changes when your fatty keeper is puffing his way back over the halfway line as the opposition right back slots the ball home.

I think you're a bit confused. That line that Feds had crossed is used to mark the edge of the penalty box, it's not called "the halfway line". (BTW the white dot that he had passed before the ball went in is called the "penalty spot")

HTH



He does indeed look a bit chubby though.