Pav vs Roberts

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Pav vs Roberts

by Holding Out Hope » 28 Oct 2012 22:15

Having seen a few comments regarding these two, just out of curiosity do people really believe Roberts is better than Pav? IMO Pav has been one of our best players you can see he's different quality than what we have had before.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by cmonurz » 28 Oct 2012 22:22

Pogrebnyak is a better player, but Roberts fits our 'style' far better.

Personally, I'd sooner we started playing in a way that uses Pogrebnyak's obvious abilities all the more.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by SPARTA » 28 Oct 2012 22:25

cmonurz Pogrebnyak is a better player, but Roberts fits our 'style' far better.

Personally, I'd sooner we started playing in a way that uses Pogrebnyak's obvious abilities all the more.


Just out of interest, what are Pogrebnyak's obvious abilities? He's useful if given a chance on goal, but otherwise I think he's a massive disappointment so far.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by Handsome Man » 28 Oct 2012 22:30

Roberts played better yesterday, but Pav has done ok

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by cmonurz » 28 Oct 2012 22:41

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cmonurz Pogrebnyak is a better player, but Roberts fits our 'style' far better.

Personally, I'd sooner we started playing in a way that uses Pogrebnyak's obvious abilities all the more.


Just out of interest, what are Pogrebnyak's obvious abilities? He's useful if given a chance on goal, but otherwise I think he's a massive disappointment so far.


He's a very strong forward who wants the ball played into his feet - do this and get the midfield moving and he will bring players into the game, he has a good eye for a pass. And as we have seen, he is a very good finisher.

Roberts is better in the air, and will chase balls into the channels - but that represents a different style of football and the one we play, hence imo, Pogrebnyak struggling a little to have much impact on some games.


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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by SPARTA » 28 Oct 2012 22:51

He should be able to do all of that, I agree. Yet to see it though - admittedly only judged on home games. He can't jump for toffee. His first touch is often too heavy as well. Hopefully he'll improve, but so far not impressed at all. Hunt and Roberts offer a lot more, and that really does highlight a huge problem for us at this level.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by maffff » 28 Oct 2012 22:53

cmonurz He's a very strong forward who wants the ball played into his feet


Then falls over. Goes down easily for a big man.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by Stuboo » 29 Oct 2012 01:29

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cmonurz He's a very strong forward who wants the ball played into his feet


Then falls over. Goes down easily for a big man.


And in doing so wins us free kicks in good positions, for Shorey to fluff.

I like them both. I can't pick a winner.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by HoneyRoastHoax » 29 Oct 2012 08:55

If Pog gets a shot on target he more often than not scores, that is a fantastic player.

I think a lot of people assume because of his size he wants the ball lumped up to him. This isn't the case he wants the ball played to his feet, our midfield are incapable of doing this which is forcing him to play deeper


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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by Mr.T10 » 29 Oct 2012 09:10

Why do we buy a player and never use them to their strengths... Any halfwit can realise Pog likes the ball to his feet, he is a BIG man and can't jump with a CB right up his backside. Play the ball to his feet and then he could either Turn or Give the ball out wide. When we do that, he was very useful just a shame we rarely do it. This is due to us having CM's who are unable to dictate the tempo and not PANIC with the ball... Oh wait we do but McDermott would rather keep his "friends" on the pitch instead of putting Guthrie who dictate the tempo and now looks like he is out of the door. So who to partner Pog? Matters on the way we want to play, if we carry on our long ball panic football then Hunt or Roberts which does not really use Pog effectively or actually use Pogs strengthens so we need a quicker ST who is always on the last defender looking for the final pass. Pog and Alf! Bring back Guthrie!

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by loyalroyal4life » 29 Oct 2012 09:32

Pog >>> Roberts for overall ability, just feel Pog has not delivered his full potential but can see him coming good

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by BraisingsteakRoyal » 29 Oct 2012 09:41

Fulham Pog > Roberts > Reading Pog

Question is - who's the slowest? Both of them have the turning circle of a Type 45 Destroyer.

Loving our insistence to buy strikers whose main attribute is to try and win free kicks.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by Maguire » 29 Oct 2012 09:46

Pogrebnyak is a far better player although I'll admit he had a very poor match on Saturday.

Got no problem with Roberts but I don't know where this myth about him having a great touch comes from - his first touch is shoddy. He's also not that good in the air, but is good as bustling/charging past or through people.


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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by urz13 » 29 Oct 2012 10:12

You can see the obvious difference in quality in the shooting drill in the warm up. Roberts isn't all that great at finishing, and terrible at heading. Pavel is an excellent finisher, can shoot from distance and use his head (but not for winning long balls). Roberts is probably the more skilful player with a better touch though.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by rob the royal » 29 Oct 2012 11:47

At the moment I think we should be looking for Roberts as the target man and play into Pog's feet more. How many times did we launch it at Pog and see him fail to win the header or even a free-kick?

Let Pog play more off of Roberts. That's what I would have hoped for but yesterday it just seemed like we were happy to just lump it in the air to either of them... and really Pog just wasn't winning anything.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by melonhead » 29 Oct 2012 12:02

both good players, both enough quality at this level, both play in different ways
think roberts played better on saturday

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by E. Andrew » 29 Oct 2012 15:43

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cmonurz He's a very strong forward who wants the ball played into his feet


Then falls over. Goes down easily for a big man.


And in doing so wins us free kicks in good positions.


I can't recall this part.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by Ian Royal » 29 Oct 2012 15:50

Tough call. Pog's a better scorer, Rob's a better link up man.

Pog's a bit of a battering ram who can be quite ponderous and slow, although he's got quick feet on occasion, but Roberts is more athletic (although obviously aging a bit) and I think has a better footballing brain. I'm worried that Pog's a bit of a nearly man - like a lot of our players - he has most of the attributes to make it big time, but not quite all of them and that means he may ultimately prove a bit of a failure.

But then I'm just a bit negative at the moment and that is probably giving me a glass half empty view. Roberts prime > Pog prime.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by moo » 29 Oct 2012 17:18

Get in the Pav's feet and he will be one the finest players ever to have pulled on a Reading shirt.

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Re: Pav vs Roberts

by windermere_royal » 29 Oct 2012 17:26

moo Get in the Pav's feet and he will be one the finest players ever to have pulled on a Reading shirt.


Greed, he has instant ball control, I think he always looks a touch of class on the ball, we really need to give him the ammo because it is wasted in the outfield.

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