The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Hound » 02 Feb 2018 16:41

yeah, its possibly true.

But you are also committing yourself to 3.5 years of wages etc. by signing them up.

I get they are not going to be on 40k a week, but even if so its still a burden on the club. Its not the fact they are getting contracts that is a little strange but the length of them

just on a couple of those players - Rinomhota has been injured all year, Watson likewise. Richards would have probably played a few more games but for injury as well. Smith certainly would have.

Not saying they would have been first team regulars, but basically the 4 players nearest the first team have all had fairly lengthy injury lay offs

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Snowflake Royal » 02 Feb 2018 16:46

Hound yeah, its possibly true.

But you are also committing yourself to 3.5 years of wages etc. by signing them up.

I get they are not going to be on 40k a week, but even if so its still a burden on the club. Its not the fact they are getting contracts that is a little strange but the length of them

just on a couple of those players - Rinomhota has been injured all year, Watson likewise. Richards would have probably played a few more games but for injury as well. Smith certainly would have.

Not saying they would have been first team regulars, but basically the 4 players nearest the first team have all had fairly lengthy injury lay offs

Yeah, Watson this year is completely understandable. Didn't know about Rinomhota. Smith could have played more before the injury, same as Richards (who abso-bloody-lutely should have. I realise they can't play once they're injured.

On the committing to their wages front... when have we recently showed any sense in the awarding of contracts given our insane wage bill? If we toss out contracts to players with injury issues who are coming to the end of their career, why wouldn't we commit to much smaller wages for youngsters over a longer period?

I'm not saying it's true, just that's it's plausible. Which is a sign of just how much my faith in the running of the club has evaporated over the last 5 years.

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Hound » 02 Feb 2018 16:49

Snowflake Royal On the committing to their wages front... when have we recently showed any sense in the awarding of contracts given our insane wage bill? If we toss out contracts to players with injury issues who are coming to the end of their career, why wouldn't we commit to much smaller wages for youngsters over a longer period?



that was kind of my original point. Seems a little odd chucking out such big contracts - not sure as to why. Had a bit whinge about it on another thread

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by KC Royal » 02 Feb 2018 18:53

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Hound its an interesting policy this.

I can't remember such long contracts being given out to players who aren't really in first team contention at this stage

Obvs be absolutely delighted if 4 or 5 of these lads come through and play regularly. But on first thoughts, they do seem a little excessively long. There must be a genuine thought that they will be in the first team squad next year, which must surely mean we will be having some sort of clear out at the end of the year (no bad thing)

Anyway, congrats to Smith. Some potential there certainly and a good attitude etc

Alternative theory:

We are tying them down to long-term contracts to ensure to leave and get first team league football a club has to pay for them so we get a fee and this will making the Academy self-funding. We don't really have any strong plans to include them in genuine first team plans other than as back up bench warmers and critical emergency starters.

We just don't seem to have really made any effort to bring Academy players through under Stam (except Kelly - and even he's struggled this season with the addition of Clement, Edwards and Bacuna) . Yes, a fair few have had debuts or sat on the bench, but even last year Watson didn't get as many chances as his performances merited, even taking into account Gunter's ever-presence. Richards could and should have been used more pre-injury this season. Smith could have got more minutes easily. Andressen likewise. Dickie looked to be being prepped for the first team in pre-season and then was shipped out quietly. Hyam never even got that close. Both of those were quality defenders from what I saw.

Rinomhota hasn't really featured since a bit of a cameo. Loader could have had more chance, Holsgrove and East not had a shout (though it's early days for them to be fair), Barrett hasn't had a game since McDermott was in charge iirc. Nothing for Frost I don't think. Novakovitch has been farmed out on loan. Stacey and Fosu were ditched.

/cynic


BIB - Weren't they offered new contracts last summer though? I'm sure Fosu was at least. Barrett's interview when he signed his deal suggested he's expecting to be in the squad next season. I was miffed that Dickie was allowed to go, probably Hyam too but he seemed to be more under the radar.

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by muirinho » 02 Feb 2018 19:15

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Snowflake Royal On the committing to their wages front... when have we recently showed any sense in the awarding of contracts given our insane wage bill? If we toss out contracts to players with injury issues who are coming to the end of their career, why wouldn't we commit to much smaller wages for youngsters over a longer period?



that was kind of my original point. Seems a little odd chucking out such big contracts - not sure as to why. Had a bit whinge about it on another thread


tbf if we're going to be chucking money at players who never get off the bench (if they even get that far), I'd rather it was academy players than randomers from obscure Dutch clubs


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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Hound » 02 Feb 2018 19:30

Agree and hopefully so do the management

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by Hound » 04 Feb 2018 21:36

U23s lost 2-0 to Norwich

Liam kelly played. Fallen well out of favour

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Hound » 05 Feb 2018 18:55

Some new chap in charge of the academy - Ged Roddy (nope, no idea either)

Still BT and Gourlay saying the right things about it etc

Good luck to him in continuing the work done by Dolan and Herron

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by Sutekh » 06 Feb 2018 09:15

Hound Some new chap in charge of the academy - Ged Roddy (nope, no idea either)

Still BT and Gourlay saying the right things about it etc

Good luck to him in continuing the work done by Dolan and Herron


This article is from 2013 but is a good read with more info than the RFC press release,

https://www.teambath.com/2013/08/01/ged-roddy/


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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Hound » 06 Feb 2018 09:47

Thanks Sutekh

An interesting read and looks a good appointment

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by windermereROYAL » 09 Feb 2018 21:03

2-0 defeat for the U23s at the leaders Blackburn tonight. 1 point and no goals in the last 3 games.

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by From Despair To Where? » 10 Feb 2018 08:14

windermereROYAL 2-0 defeat for the U23s at the leaders Blackburn tonight. 1 point and no goals in the last 3 games.


Look on the bright side, that suggests they're ready for the first team.

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Hound » 10 Feb 2018 08:36

From Despair To Where?
windermereROYAL 2-0 defeat for the U23s at the leaders Blackburn tonight. 1 point and no goals in the last 3 games.


Look on the bright side, that suggests they're ready for the first team.


:lol: Fit In seamlessly

Bit disappointing that. Though we’ve sent some of our better players out on loan


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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by P!ssed Off » 10 Feb 2018 09:42

:|
The U23s are 3rd in their league.

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by Sutekh » 10 Feb 2018 10:28

P!ssed Off :|
The U23s are 3rd in their league.


That'll be a false third then

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by windermereROYAL » 10 Feb 2018 10:53

P!ssed Off :|
The U23s are 3rd in their league.


-4 goal difference.

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by KC Royal » 13 Feb 2018 19:18

Just seen this over on Non-league Matters, posted a few days ago.

"Colchester United v Reading result now showing as subject to an F.A. investigation due to an ineligible Reading player -
Imari Samuels, who started the match not having played in earlier rounds. "

:?

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by Royals and Racers » 13 Feb 2018 19:50

KC Royal Just seen this over on Non-league Matters, posted a few days ago.

"Colchester United v Reading result now showing as subject to an F.A. investigation due to an ineligible Reading player -
Imari Samuels, who started the match not having played in earlier rounds. "

:?

Can`t see what playing in earlier rounds has got to do with it- if he`s registered and of the right age surely he is eligible- and even if thr Royals did something wrong it doesn`t necessarily mean they are kicked out.
from the FA youth cup rules.
16. VALIDITY OF PLAYERS’ QUALIFICATIONS
(a) The Council shall have power to call upon a Player, and/or the Club to which he is
registered, or for which he played, to prove that the Player is qualified according to the
Competition Rules.
(b) Subject to (c) below, where a player that is or is found to be ineligible under the Rules of the
Association plays for a club in a Competition match, the Council shall remove the club from
the Competition, and may impose further penalties against the club.
(c) However, where the club satisfies the Council that the Club (or any of its officers) did not
know and could not reasonably have known, even had it made every reasonable enquiry
(with the exercise of the utmost caution), that the player was ineligible, the Club shall not be
removed from the Competition but may still be subject to any other penalty. (e.g. fine,
ordered to replay the match).
(d) In the event The Association is instructed to sanction a Player and/or Club in such
circumstances by FIFA, The FA will follow such instructions unless there are exceptional
circumstances which would, in the Council’s absolute discretion, lead to The Association
challenging such instruction

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Hound » 13 Feb 2018 20:40

He was the lad who was only 15

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Re: The Academy/Development squads watch thread 2015//16

by Denver Royal » 14 Feb 2018 00:36

So, are any of our loanees lighting it up anywhere and getting rave reviews this season?

(Shamefully, I haven't really kept track of them this season :? )

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