from disaster to disaster

[paddy20]

After the last 12 months we all thought there was a silver lining on its way. The deal has still not been completed. We dumped 3 quality pros and then decided to sell our one goalscorer and our best defender. It seems we have decided to also get rid of one of our best ever goalkeepers and replace him with a keeper that never commands his box just because he seems to be in Adkins good books.

Mad. and/or Adkins has believed all the hype over our youngsters being good enough for the championship. We have signed a striker well past his best (Cox) because he was cheap and used to live in Reading. A centre half who was discarded and couldn't get a game abroad, A grafter (Mackie) who couldn't get into a team that finished below us last season, and a midfielder that couldn't get into a team that lost its first 2 games. We knew Karacan wouldn't be ready for this season and there will be doubts that he can get back to the level he was before - which at best was ok. Williams was carrying an injury that should have been dealt with close season and will now be out probably until xmas. Macleary was probably on his way out anyway before he got injured.

Are we still really saying that Reading is a well run club? Are we really looking forward to Mr mad. dictating what goes on in the 'new partnership' as our new lady knows nothing about football, bless her. Are we looking forward to the new investors (5?) ever reaching a decision that they can all agree on?

Before all the tirade is recd about getting behind the team I have watched for a very long time including away season tickets. I will never stop watching Reading as they are my team.

Point one:

We have had several very good goalkeepers over the years including the one you insult in you opening paragraph. Indeed we won this league with said goalkeeper playing an integral part in that triumph. You must have seen a lot in all those years Paddy? Which makes it even more surprising that you have such a short memory, Alex McCathy's command of his area was awful during the last 6 months of last season and has cost us goals. We would have made the play offs last season if he hadn't come rushing out against Yeovil, missing everything and allowing them an easy goal.

Point two:

As loath as I am to defend our Nige, it's not as if he has a choice but to throw them all in at the moment because of the injuries. What I won't defend him on is playing the players he has got out of position and leaving players on the be ch who are specialists. I very much doubt we signed Cox on the basis you are saying we did, Ferdinand is experienced at this level and above so it's surprising you don't want him given you've called for less youngsters and more experience and as for Mackie, the world needs ditch diggers, and football teams need grafters. Again, another experienced champ player with a league winners medal. Norwood, well we'll have to see what he can offer, personally I think we could have invested money in positions like LB, CB and ST and then we wouldn't have to put square pegs in round holes but there you go.

Point three:

Are we suddenly party to all that goes on in the boardroom? We don't know the structure yet because it hasn't been passed by the authorities when it is maybe we can hold off damning the new owners. The word of some blokes off the internetz is not gospel.

1. Not saying Feds isn't a good goalkeeper, he is, but sorry not on a par with Macarthy. Seems you have a short memory about his performances last season.
2. I agree that Mackie is a good signing. Forest fans say Cox has been poor for a long time. Ferdinand,who knows but why sell Morrison?? Its all very well saying we got good money but an ambitious club would want to keep their best players not replace them with a risky player.

All seems to add up to a club thats lost their ambition

[Zana Badawi]

I also saw them match Forest for 45 minutes.

I also saw Stuart Pearce take only 20 minutes at half time to pick apart NA's tactics 3 times in 15 second half minutes. You, quite simply, cant defend that.
I know its easy to say 'Youre talking rubbish' but youre not undermining anybody unless you provide a counterexample of anything impressive that's happened.

Have a feeling that this is going the way of the McDermott sacking. A variety of factors, not least the ownership of the club, leading to on the pitch mediocrity for which somebody has to be the fall guy. If history repeats itself, that fall guy will be NA. I kind of hope so, because I feel some people will finally learn what exactly annoyed a good % of Reading fans a couple of years ago. However, it will mask the fact of general shambles elsewhere.

[Royal Rother]

I also saw them match Forest for 45 minutes.

I also saw Stuart Pearce take only 20 minutes at half time to pick apart NA's tactics 3 times in 15 second half minutes. You, quite simply, cant defend that.
I know its easy to say 'Youre talking rubbish' but youre not undermining anybody unless you provide a counterexample of anything impressive that's happened.

Huh?

Bollocks post of the day.

[Ian Royal]

There's a lot of people posting recently who don't seem to have much grasp on reality.

[frimmers3]

There's a lot of people posting recently who don't seem to have much grasp on reality.

The fact that Tottenham Hotspurs top the premiership goes to prove that reality is not all it is cracked up to be.

[Millsy]

There's a lot of people posting recently who don't seem to have much grasp on reality.

Methinks the pot is racist.

[Ian Royal]

There's a lot of people posting recently who don't seem to have much grasp on reality.

Methinks the pot is racist.

Call, and they shall appear.

[Scarface]

After the last 12 months we all thought there was a silver lining on its way. The deal has still not been completed. We dumped 3 quality pros and then decided to sell our one goalscorer and our best defender. It seems we have decided to also get rid of one of our best ever goalkeepers and replace him with a keeper that never commands his box just because he seems to be in Adkins good books.
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Started off well but that last bit is absolute nonsense. Did you see Feds play yesterday? The double save he made rushing out at forwards' feet seemed a pretty good example of commanding his box for starters. Offloading a very good keeper (but one who doesn't really fit the manager's preferred style of play due to poor distribution) when we have 2+ is the one thing that does make sense provided Adkins is then immediately allowed to reinvest all of the proceeds in strengthening elsewhere.

You're missing the point on Federici, he stays on his line far too much from corners, but we were spoilt last year as McCarthy is excellent at this. Selling McCarthy makes business sense, but don't be conned into thinking we have a replacement of equal quality. Kicking isn't the prime skill of a keeper.

[Scarface]

Fans calling for Adkins to go are brainless, he's a very good manager and achieved 7th last year with no investment.

I would question the clubs decision to only offer Jobi a one year deal, many seem to forget HE turned that down, he was not released. Selling Le Fondre made sense, Adkins didn't fancy him and Morrison WANTED to leave, he could have turned the move down.

We will have a team ready for promotion next season when we have a full squad fit, we just need to stay patient and stay in the division. I WOULD seriously question the medical team though, especially over the McCleary and Williams operation timing shambles.

[AthleticoSpizz]

no Scarface, but, the fewer times that the ball either comes straight back at you or is gifted for an opposition throw-in, is a big part of the ongoing game flow.

All things considered, (a couple of goals scored as well), it's Feds position to lose right now

[thirtyyarder]

Fans calling for Adkins to go are brainless, he's a very good manager and achieved 7th last year with no investment.

I would question the clubs decision to only offer Jobi a one year deal, many seem to forget HE turned that down, he was not released. Selling Le Fondre made sense, Adkins didn't fancy him and Morrison WANTED to leave, he could have turned the move down.

We will have a team ready for promotion next season when we have a full squad fit, we just need to stay patient and stay in the division. I WOULD seriously question the medical team though, especially over the McCleary and Williams operation timing shambles.

While this is true, the contract situation with some key players means that predicting next years team is problematic.

[Caversham Royal]

After the last 12 months we all thought there was a silver lining on its way. The deal has still not been completed. We dumped 3 quality pros and then decided to sell our one goalscorer and our best defender. It seems we have decided to also get rid of one of our best ever goalkeepers and replace him with a keeper that never commands his box just because he seems to be in Adkins good books.

Mad. and/or Adkins has believed all the hype over our youngsters being good enough for the championship. We have signed a striker well past his best (Cox) because he was cheap and used to live in Reading. A centre half who was discarded and couldn't get a game abroad, A grafter (Mackie) who couldn't get into a team that finished below us last season, and a midfielder that couldn't get into a team that lost its first 2 games. We knew Karacan wouldn't be ready for this season and there will be doubts that he can get back to the level he was before - which at best was ok. Williams was carrying an injury that should have been dealt with close season and will now be out probably until xmas. Macleary was probably on his way out anyway before he got injured.

Are we still really saying that Reading is a well run club? Are we really looking forward to Mr mad. dictating what goes on in the 'new partnership' as our new lady knows nothing about football, bless her. Are we looking forward to the new investors (5?) ever reaching a decision that they can all agree on?

Before all the tirade is recd about getting behind the team I have watched for a very long time including away season tickets. I will never stop watching Reading as they are my team.

Got as far as you saying Reading sold their 'best defender', realised you may actually have meant Morrison & then, strangely, you lost me.......

[mambo3]

quote="mambo3"]

The players don't seem to be playing for the manager. Has NA lost the dressing room. There confidence has
Been drained out of them. The academy kids is a smoke screen for a more serious problem within Reading FC.

Morrison didn't have to leave, he could of said "no" La Fondre was not played by NA. Mcanuff was rarely played by NA,
Drenthe , we know about. Legitwood not given a new contract. Keble and mar. Jumped ship.all in the space of 18 months.

If we had kept half of these players, would we be in this position.

What a load of rubbish, you could get a job reporting for the Sun with the amount of spin/bias you've given!

And your point is?[/quote]

Pretty sure his point was that you are talking rubbish.[/quote]

And who are u? His bitch[/quote]

So what's the basis for your comments around having lost the dressing room, confidence drained out etc? They've played 4 league games so far, lost 2 ( and therefore haven't lost 2), and instead of accepting there is a huge injury crisis, you jump straight to " lost the dressing room" etc. Do you really not think injuries to key players is the main reason for our woes the last couple of games????[/quote]

2 weeks into the season and we have that many injuries. I recall we had the same problem last season.

Lightning strikes twice does it.

[mambo3]

I also saw them match Forest for 45 minutes.

I also saw Stuart Pearce take only 20 minutes at half time to pick apart NA's tactics 3 times in 15 second half minutes. You, quite simply, cant defend that.
I know its easy to say 'Youre talking rubbish' but youre not undermining anybody unless you provide a counterexample of anything impressive that's happened.

Have a feeling that this is going the way of the McDermott sacking. A variety of factors, not least the ownership of the club, leading to on the pitch mediocrity for which somebody has to be the fall guy. If history repeats itself, that fall guy will be NA. I kind of hope so, because I feel some people will finally learn what exactly annoyed a good % of Reading fans a couple of years ago. However, it will mask the fact of general shambles elsewhere.

Good to see someone has a grasp of reality

[mambo3]

Fans calling for Adkins to go are brainless, he's a very good manager and achieved 7th last year with no investment.

I would question the clubs decision to only offer Jobi a one year deal, many seem to forget HE turned that down, he was not released. Selling Le Fondre made sense, Adkins didn't fancy him and Morrison WANTED to leave, he could have turned the move down.

We will have a team ready for promotion next season when we have a full squad fit, we just need to stay patient and stay in the division. I WOULD seriously question the medical team though, especially over the McCleary and Williams operation timing shambles.

I would question the training methods. The medical Team respond to players injuries but why are they getting injured so often in the first place.

I don't think it's the medical teams fault.

[mambo3]

lol @ McAnuff being 'rarely played'. 35 games last season.

That's not strictly true!

[Esteban]

Fans calling for Adkins to go are brainless, he's a very good manager and achieved 7th last year with no investment.

I would question the clubs decision to only offer Jobi a one year deal, many seem to forget HE turned that down, he was not released. Selling Le Fondre made sense, Adkins didn't fancy him and Morrison WANTED to leave, he could have turned the move down.

We will have a team ready for promotion next season when we have a full squad fit, we just need to stay patient and stay in the division. I WOULD seriously question the medical team though, especially over the McCleary and Williams operation timing shambles.

I would question the training methods. The medical Team respond to players injuries but why are they getting injured so often in the first place.

I don't think it's the medical teams fault.

It's the medical team who monitor the players' physical conditioning. A high number of soft tissue injuries is the medical team's responsibility.

Williams, McLeary and Karacan do not have soft tissue injuries and therefore, they are hard to predict. All three were sent to a specialist, all three followed the advice given to them. It's easy in hindsight to say that they should have had different treatment, but if you are a professional sports person, you will choose operations only as a last resort. Based on the information at hand when they were first seen and the circumstances of our season, the course of action taken was the best route.

I have suffered with back injuries for a long time and believe me, they are not always easy to treat.

[Once were Biscuitmen]

Just checking, but is finishing mid table in the 2nd tier now a 'disaster' for Reading FC?

If so I can think of no greater testament to SJM.

[mambo3]

Fans calling for Adkins to go are brainless, he's a very good manager and achieved 7th last year with no investment.

I would question the clubs decision to only offer Jobi a one year deal, many seem to forget HE turned that down, he was not released. Selling Le Fondre made sense, Adkins didn't fancy him and Morrison WANTED to leave, he could have turned the move down.

We will have a team ready for promotion next season when we have a full squad fit, we just need to stay patient and stay in the division. I WOULD seriously question the medical team though, especially over the McCleary and Williams operation timing shambles.

I would question the training methods. The medical Team respond to players injuries but why are they getting injured so often in the first place.

I don't think it's the medical teams fault.

It's the medical team who monitor the players' physical conditioning. A high number of soft tissue injuries is the medical team's responsibility.

Williams, McLeary and Karacan do not have soft tissue injuries and therefore, they are hard to predict. All three were sent to a specialist, all three followed the advice given to them. It's easy in hindsight to say that they should have had different treatment, but if you are a professional sports person, you will choose operations only as a last resort. Based on the information at hand when they were first seen and the circumstances of our season, the course of action taken was the best route.

I have suffered with back injuries for a long time and believe me, they are not always easy to treat.

I agree back injuries are not easy to treat, I have suffered for years. Every footballer has soft tissue injury to some degree
Very few footballers walk on the pitch 100% injury free, living with strains, soft tissue damage.....etc is part of being an athlete. You are trained in pain management. Knee injuries and back injuries are dealt with by specialist not the clubs medical Team. All they do is rehabilitate.

The players make the final decision when to have the op not the medical Team.

[winchester_royal]

If you want to see a genuine disaster in motion, take a look at the timeline of the Yorkshire Post's LUFC reporter:

https://twitter.com/philhayyep