Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Saaaaaaaammmmmm » 13 Sep 2016 23:32

Was thinking about Cooper earlier and how really he only has himself to blame for not fitting into this Stam system

The Academy sides that I've seen over the past number of years (U21s and U18s in Youth Cups) have all played out from the back and have all had centre-backs who can play football. Players like Dickie, Hyam, Sweeney and Keown have all been remarkably comfortable with the ball at their feet, so I'm really not sure why Cooper isn't the same having grown up with these players

On top of learning to play the 'Stam way' as a youngster, Cooper has what the other 4 don't, and that's Championship experience. He's played about 40 games now at this level, he should really be a lot more comfortable and not a bag of nerves like he was vs Plymouth and MK Dons

Wonder what the other 4 guys would be like now if they had played 40 games for Reading at this point

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by floyd__streete » 14 Sep 2016 13:12

Friday night's starting XI: not one academy product.
Last night's XVI: just two academy products involved.

Anyone else find that just a little bit disappointing :?:

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Top Flight » 14 Sep 2016 13:13

If they are good enough they will play.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Nameless » 14 Sep 2016 13:21

floyd__streete Friday night's starting XI: not one academy product.
Last night's XVI: just two academy products involved.

Anyone else find that just a little bit disappointing :?:

Only those who have commented previously on this point....
Monday night you can probably watch a team with 11 academy products.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by maffff » 14 Sep 2016 14:02

Top Flight If they are good enough they will play.

If they play enough they will be good?

Chicken and egg isn't it?


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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Nameless » 14 Sep 2016 14:07

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Top Flight If they are good enough they will play.

If they play enough they will be good?

Chicken and egg isn't it?


Not really. The first team is not a rehearsal, it is the real thing. While of course players need to be given time to learn and develop you really cannot do so at the expense of results, and to have half a team of players on work experience would probably be suicide.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by P!ssed Off » 14 Sep 2016 14:27

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Top Flight If they are good enough they will play.

If they play enough they will be good?

Chicken and egg isn't it?


Not really. The first team is not a rehearsal, it is the real thing. While of course players need to be given time to learn and develop you really cannot do so at the expense of results, and to have half a team of players on work experience would probably be suicide.


oxf*rd hell, it's not life or death.
So oxf*rd what if we pick up a few less points in the immediate future by playing youngsters. We'll be better off in the long run.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by P!ssed Off » 14 Sep 2016 14:42

Top Flight If they are good enough they will play.


Transfer policy is largely dictated by corruption sadly.

If Jose Mourinho's agent is going to make 5 million quid from Jose buying one of his players then Jose is far less likely to promote a kid from the academy.

Even on a lesser scale this is at play in the Championship. Jaap Stam's agent represents at least two of our Summer signings.

Our Thai transfer advisor gets a significant fee if we sign a random from the Polish league rather than promote Dominic Samuel.

Money leaks left, right and centre during the transfer window, and with 10 players in and 10 players out certain greedy bastards are raking it in.

Too many academy players and the trough runs empty.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Nameless » 14 Sep 2016 16:07

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maffff If they play enough they will be good?

Chicken and egg isn't it?


Not really. The first team is not a rehearsal, it is the real thing. While of course players need to be given time to learn and develop you really cannot do so at the expense of results, and to have half a team of players on work experience would probably be suicide.


oxf*rd hell, it's not life or death.
So oxf*rd what if we pick up a few less points in the immediate future by playing youngsters. We'll be better off in the long run.


No one thinks it's life or death. But it's many people's livelihood and it's certainly not just a kick about down the park.

We are playing youngsters.
Obita, Moore, Swift, Evans, Harriott, Blackett. All early twenties, some younger than Cooper and Samuel.
So if you mean that we need to be planning for a team to develop then that is happening. Add in the youngsters getting playing experience on loan and then Kelly, Watson, Rimahota, Barrett etc playing in the U23 side and cup games and there are plenty of prospects around.
I can't believe your selection criteria are 1. Age 2. Education3. Ability in that order !
I'd love our team to be 100% born in Reading but most of our Academy players aren't, and even if they were you can't pick them because they came through the Academy rather than because they are the best option. One first team layer per season is good going for an Academy, we've been ahead of that and I suspect we'll see at least 2 getting games this year that weren't last.


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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Nameless » 14 Sep 2016 16:09

Academy players have agents too. That's how come someone like Tishbola decides they fancy a move.....

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Maneki Neko » 14 Sep 2016 16:53

floyd__streete Friday night's starting XI: not one academy product.
Last night's XVI: just two academy products involved.

Anyone else find that just a little bit disappointing :?:


not me.
im happy for Watson, Kelly, Samuel etc to get game time in cups, or as subs, and when other players are out
im glad stam used obita yesterday, and hope he interchanges him and blackett depending on the oppo

not really sure who else there is, other than cooper, and im pretty happy he isn't playing every game right now.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Maneki Neko » 14 Sep 2016 16:54

So oxf*rd what if we pick up a few less points in the immediate future by playing youngsters


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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Haag Royal » 14 Sep 2016 18:16

Nameless Academy players have agents too. That's how come someone like Tishbola decides they fancy a move.....


Exactly. Don't go banging on about how few academy players are in the first 11 when the first chance they get to go - they go. Tish, Hector to name but 2. HRK? well probably not a good example.....


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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by P!ssed Off » 14 Sep 2016 19:00

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Nameless Academy players have agents too. That's how come someone like Tishbola decides they fancy a move.....


Exactly. Don't go banging on about how few academy players are in the first 11 when the first chance they get to go - they go. Tish, Hector to name but 2. HRK? well probably not a good example.....


Making us millions of pounds in the process.
Poor us...

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Ian Royal » 14 Sep 2016 20:16

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floyd__streete Friday night's starting XI: not one academy product.
Last night's XVI: just two academy products involved.

Anyone else find that just a little bit disappointing :?:


not me.
im happy for Watson, Kelly, Samuel etc to get game time in cups, or as subs, and when other players are out
im glad stam used obita yesterday, and hope he interchanges him and blackett depending on the oppo

not really sure who else there is, other than cooper, and im pretty happy he isn't playing every game right now.


And love it or loath it, there's the EFL trophy for our players to pick up competitive experience in. With that and the League Cup, there will clearly be opportunities to stake a claim, plus injuries.

FFS I remember when we went endless games without an academy graduate featuring. And now we're bitching because a we go a couple of games without one featuring? Baffling

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by CountryRoyal » 14 Sep 2016 20:46

^^ yeah this pretty much.

We've been "spoilt" of late so to speak. Just because we've had an abnormally number of academy graduates representing the first team in recent years doesn't mean that now we don't there is a reason to panic, the future of the club is in jeopardy and the world is going to end.

Perspective, people.

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by P!ssed Off » 14 Sep 2016 21:45

Ian Royal FFS I remember when we went endless games without an academy graduate featuring. And now we're bitching because a we go a couple of games without one featuring? Baffling


Fewer opportunities for Academy players is not a negative because we used to have a shit academy.''

Pearls of wisdom from Ian Royal there.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by sandman » 14 Sep 2016 21:49

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Ian Royal FFS I remember when we went endless games without an academy graduate featuring. And now we're bitching because a we go a couple of games without one featuring? Baffling


Fewer opportunities for Academy players is not a negative because we used to have a shit academy.''

Pearls of wisdom from Ian Royal there.


Ian Royal knows it all.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by Ian Royal » 14 Sep 2016 21:59

You seem to be the only one that thinks that. Including me.

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Re: Are The Youngsters Being Frozen Out?

by P!ssed Off » 14 Sep 2016 22:08

Nameless I can't believe your selection criteria are 1. Age 2. Education3. Ability in that order !


There's no need to believe that, because obviously you've made it up.

I'm saying a company with a first class graduate scheme, that happens to be in tens of millions of debt, ought to focus on promoting from within rather than spending millions on external hires who will command a salary 5 to 10 times greater.
You can disagree, that's fine. But it's hardly an unbelievable suggestion...

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