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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by paultheroyal » 30 Apr 2017 12:26

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royalp-we I think it's simply just a case that there are too many fans still living in 106-land and just haven't watched many other live football matches so the style of play and not lumping into the oppositions half it is just not on their wavelength when it comes to watching football at the mad Stad.



Nah. Been watching football for over 50 years. Today was turgid. The worst I've ever seen a top 3 side play in any division. Simply no pattern to the play. After 45 league games you'd expect better.

Just think how good we will be and position when team do play well. Exciting times.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by paultheroyal » 30 Apr 2017 12:27

Greatwesternline To those who keep saying, "but we got the three points"....


Well from now on with a two legged affair, where three points is meaningless, our goal difference suggests we will lose easily in the play offs.

Not to get all snowball on anyone, but we specialise at picking up points in one goal wins at home, so beating teams by one goal at home and taking a heavy defeat away from home isn't going to cut it in the play offs.

I'm glad our season is now in play off mode, and it seems we will most likely finish 3rd, which obviously by definition says we are the 3rd best team in the league, but in reality all it means is that we are the 3rd best team at generating results, which is not the same as being the 3rd best team, by any stretch of the imagination.

I fully expect us to win by one goal at home, but that will be too little too late because we will have lost by more away.

But there you go, go on Reading surprise me!



p.s. to all the teachers on this board, is it normal that so many people on this forum type "should of" when they mean "should have"?
I'm 30 so perhaps i'm already old, but i'm fairly sure my teachers at school would have knocked such an elementary misunderstanding of English out of me. Am i wrong?


Grammar police are the worst kind of poster.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by paultheroyal » 30 Apr 2017 12:28

Jackson Corner How many times have we walked away this season thinking how did we win that? We must be doing something right not sure what it is but hey we keep winning and we are in the play offs. I look at Brentford who play great attacking football score loads of goals concede loads very entertaining mid table. And us drab boring sideways football scrappy 1-0 wins against crap teams third place. I know what I'd prefer.


Agreed, 3rd in the league all day long.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Hound » 30 Apr 2017 12:42

In fairness, Stam agreed we played poorly yesterday.

Specifically to the match I didn't think we were brace enough at times. Blackett was getting some abuse for misplaced passes, but he was the only one picking up the ball and driving forward from the back 4. Gunter I thought had a shocker, and Moore defended well but showed no ambition bringing it out

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Gunny Fishcake » 30 Apr 2017 13:42

Crap game but no surprise , simply a four team knock out now which any one can win, previously in play offs we've had expectations, I think most of us don't have high expectations this time so I'd not be surprised if we go and do it, would be typical us


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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by windermereROYAL » 30 Apr 2017 13:46

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Silver Fox including Evans being a very lucky boy.


Are you saying this because the lad broke his leg?. agree it was late. but it wasnt high or over the ball. yellow all day long for me.

Nah that was a nasty red all day long. Very lucky boy.

Luckily he got a yellow so won't be retrospectively banned


Update from the Wigan lad that got injured at the match. .Former Yeovil Town loanee Shaun MacDonald looks set for a lengthy spell on the sidelines after suffering a horrific injury yesterday. The 28 year old, who had five loan spells at Huish Park whilst a Swansea City player, has suffered a double leg fracture, after he went in for a challenge with Reading's George Evans, whilst playing for Wigan Athletic in their 1-0 defeat at the Madejski Stadium.
MacDonald received on-the-pitch treatment for ten minutes before being stretchered off. Reports are that he has broken his tibia and fibula, meaning that he's likely to even miss the start of the 2017-18 season at this stage. Evans was booked for the tackle, but Wigan caretaker manager Graham Barrow has downplayed the role of the Royals player in the incident, saying he'd seen it as a fair challenge:
"I didn’t think there was a lot in the challenge
. I don’t think the lad who tackled Shaun is that type of player – it wasn’t that type of game. It was just unfortunate. I heard the crack and I knew straight away he’d broken his leg. I’ve heard that noise three times in my career but I thought it was a fair challenge. I know the lad Evans and I’ve never seen that in his game."
Wigan have been relegated from the Championship, and so will start the 2017-18 season in League One.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by tmesis » 30 Apr 2017 15:24

Hound In fairness, Stam agreed we played poorly yesterday.

Specifically to the match I didn't think we were brace enough at times. Blackett was getting some abuse for misplaced passes, but he was the only one picking up the ball and driving forward from the back 4. Gunter I thought had a shocker, and Moore defended well but showed no ambition bringing it out


Pretty daft to read too much into yesterday's match. We got a goal up and coasted for the rest of the game, because there really wasn't any need to do any more.

I don't think it'd be a wild assumption to believe we might try a little harder in the play-offs.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Woodcote Royal » 30 Apr 2017 15:37

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Greatwesternline » 30 Apr 2017 16:47

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Just because Brighton and Newcastle have generated more " results" than the rest of division it would be laughable to suggest they are the two best teams. Generating results does not a good team make.




Where do these twats come from :roll:



Just because I put an idea out there you don't agree with it makes me a twat? Why so angry woodcote?

What I'm trying to get across is that we have an ability to collect points, but doesn't necessarily make us the best team.

Our very low goal difference compared to our rivals suggests to me that while we may have turned the odd draw into a win and therefore have a couple more points, our rivals have more ability to score more goals than they concede over two legs.



Simply, Reading are not the most entertaining team to watch in the division but they are - currently - the third most effective team at getting points/results in the league and at the end of the day that is what matters.

It all depends on what definition you are using to fi the word "best". Logically, in a league, the best team is the one that wins it not the one that finishes lower in the table but is better at being entertaining or getting the most shots or keeping possession or getting the biggest cross etc.


I don't disagree.

But my point was points accumulation is different to knock out football, such as the play offs.

We will probably finish one point above the others, not hugely significant over 46 games, we'll have a much worse goal difference. We specialise in 1goal wins at home and losing heavily away. Put those together and over 2 legs we'll be the underdog.

The betting markets would agree with that stance as well.


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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Silver Fox » 30 Apr 2017 18:30

Having watched the "highlights" I'm none the wiser about whether George should of gone or whether we should of had a pen, not exactly in depth

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Nameless » 30 Apr 2017 18:47

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Just because I put an idea out there you don't agree with it makes me a twat? Why so angry woodcote?

What I'm trying to get across is that we have an ability to collect points, but doesn't necessarily make us the best team.

Our very low goal difference compared to our rivals suggests to me that while we may have turned the odd draw into a win and therefore have a couple more points, our rivals have more ability to score more goals than they concede over two legs.



Simply, Reading are not the most entertaining team to watch in the division but they are - currently - the third most effective team at getting points/results in the league and at the end of the day that is what matters.

It all depends on what definition you are using to fi the word "best". Logically, in a league, the best team is the one that wins it not the one that finishes lower in the table but is better at being entertaining or getting the most shots or keeping possession or getting the biggest cross etc.


I don't disagree.

But my point was points accumulation is different to knock out football, such as the play offs.

We will probably finish one point above the others, not hugely significant over 46 games, we'll have a much worse goal difference. We specialise in 1goal wins at home and losing heavily away. Put those together and over 2 legs we'll be the underdog.

The betting markets would agree with that stance as well.


Still not convinced that saying the league season is totally different to the playoffs means using the league season to say how the playoffs will go is a very strong case.
We've done the double over Weds, are level with Hudds and down to Fulham over '2 legs'. Much more relevant, but still not massively so, than goal difference.... our goal difference is massively skewed by a small number of heavy defeats.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by harry » 30 Apr 2017 18:56

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Are you saying this because the lad broke his leg?. agree it was late. but it wasnt high or over the ball. yellow all day long for me.

Nah that was a nasty red all day long. Very lucky boy.

Luckily he got a yellow so won't be retrospectively banned


Update from the Wigan lad that got injured at the match. .Former Yeovil Town loanee Shaun MacDonald looks set for a lengthy spell on the sidelines after suffering a horrific injury yesterday. The 28 year old, who had five loan spells at Huish Park whilst a Swansea City player, has suffered a double leg fracture, after he went in for a challenge with Reading's George Evans, whilst playing for Wigan Athletic in their 1-0 defeat at the Madejski Stadium.
MacDonald received on-the-pitch treatment for ten minutes before being stretchered off. Reports are that he has broken his tibia and fibula, meaning that he's likely to even miss the start of the 2017-18 season at this stage. Evans was booked for the tackle, but Wigan caretaker manager Graham Barrow has downplayed the role of the Royals player in the incident, saying he'd seen it as a fair challenge:
"I didn’t think there was a lot in the challenge
. I don’t think the lad who tackled Shaun is that type of player – it wasn’t that type of game. It was just unfortunate. I heard the crack and I knew straight away he’d broken his leg. I’ve heard that noise three times in my career but I thought it was a fair challenge. I know the lad Evans and I’ve never seen that in his game."
Wigan have been relegated from the Championship, and so will start the 2017-18 season in League One.


Decent comments from Barrow. I saw it as a 50/50 and fair. A nasty injury doesn't mean it's a foul. If it had been the other way round I may not have been so rational.
It's a physical game and occasionally contact can result in bad injuries. When playing I got injured in a range of circumstances. Some of those were genuinely nasty fouls; some were just poorly timed or executed challenges which were clearly fouls but with no intent to injure; some (including a broken leg) weren't even fouls.
I haven't seen a replay but from my seat in the East I thought Evans was unlucky to be carded. The ref carded loads of players needlessly yesterday.
Wishing MacDonald a speedy recovery.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Victor Meldrew » 30 Apr 2017 19:00

Silver Fox Having watched the "highlights" I'm none the wiser about whether George should of gone or whether we should of had a pen, not exactly in depth


So that's 3 terrible "of"s Foxy if we include your O>P-go to the back of the class.

Greatwestern-you should realise by now that you just cannot post things like you have as this site is only for people who see nothing wrong with the players, the manager et al and think that we should be humbly grateful to be allowed to pay loads of money and be allowed to sit in the Mad Stad every other week.
Your point is well made-we just have to hope that our players raise their game for the away leg and give everything for 90 minutes rather than roll over as they have too many times this season on their travels.

My daughter's future husband came round earlier and as a Leeds fan (Yes I know I should be doing everything to put her off him but love is blind) asked whether I thought we would go up and whether I thought we could hold our own at the higher level.
I said that the second question was impossible to answer as we have no idea what money the manager would have to improve the squad.
On the first question I said that I am too close to it to be subjective but we somehow manage to win games without ever very often truly dominating the opposition-that is something the really attractive attacking sides like Brentford and Norwich haven't mastered and of course they would love to be in our position.
Looking at the players individually none look to be Premier League standard but they and the manager have something as do Huddersfield and Sheffield Wednesday, something that gets them to win games.


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by Victor Meldrew » 30 Apr 2017 19:06

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Simply, Reading are not the most entertaining team to watch in the division but they are - currently - the third most effective team at getting points/results in the league and at the end of the day that is what matters.

It all depends on what definition you are using to fi the word "best". Logically, in a league, the best team is the one that wins it not the one that finishes lower in the table but is better at being entertaining or getting the most shots or keeping possession or getting the biggest cross etc.


I don't disagree.

But my point was points accumulation is different to knock out football, such as the play offs.

We will probably finish one point above the others, not hugely significant over 46 games, we'll have a much worse goal difference. We specialise in 1goal wins at home and losing heavily away. Put those together and over 2 legs we'll be the underdog.

The betting markets would agree with that stance as well.


Still not convinced that saying the league season is totally different to the playoffs means using the league season to say how the playoffs will go is a very strong case.
We've done the double over Weds, are level with Hudds and down to Fulham over '2 legs'. Much more relevant, but still not massively so, than goal difference.... our goal difference is massively skewed by a small number of heavy defeats.


Remember also that we beat Bolton at Elm Park just weeks before that play-off final.
I still find it hard to forgive Archie for putting the penalty to the other side of the keeper rather than where he had successfully put others-perhaps he was just ahead of his time in thinking that the Bolton keeper (pre Allardyce) would have studied videos of his technique-the keeper later said that he hadn't. :cry:

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Ian Royal » 30 Apr 2017 19:39

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Just because I put an idea out there you don't agree with it makes me a twat? Why so angry woodcote?

What I'm trying to get across is that we have an ability to collect points, but doesn't necessarily make us the best team.

Our very low goal difference compared to our rivals suggests to me that while we may have turned the odd draw into a win and therefore have a couple more points, our rivals have more ability to score more goals than they concede over two legs.



Simply, Reading are not the most entertaining team to watch in the division but they are - currently - the third most effective team at getting points/results in the league and at the end of the day that is what matters.

It all depends on what definition you are using to fi the word "best". Logically, in a league, the best team is the one that wins it not the one that finishes lower in the table but is better at being entertaining or getting the most shots or keeping possession or getting the biggest cross etc.


I don't disagree.

But my point was points accumulation is different to knock out football, such as the play offs.

We will probably finish one point above the others, not hugely significant over 46 games, we'll have a much worse goal difference. We specialise in 1goal wins at home and losing heavily away. Put those together and over 2 legs we'll be the underdog.

The betting markets would agree with that stance as well.

We've played 22 times on the road and lost by 3 or more goals six times. It's not a great specialism.

Fulham may have smashed us once, but our general record against our three competitors as a collective is decent.

I don't think you can use the betting market as an indication. If that was accurate we wouldn't even be in the Play Offs.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Nameless » 30 Apr 2017 19:43

BR I'm bemused that you think people should only post if they agree with people.
Surely if GWL is entitled to make his point (which he is) , others are entitled to disagree with him. Which I did, in what I thought was a reasonable way with at least an attempt to back up my thoughts.
Why do you think no one who disagreed with him should be allowed to post ? Didn't think you would be one for shutting down debate...

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Silver Fox » 30 Apr 2017 19:58

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Silver Fox Having watched the "highlights" I'm none the wiser about whether George should of gone or whether we should of had a pen, not exactly in depth


So that's 3 terrible "of"s Foxy if we include your O>P-go to the back of the class


Yep, all deliberate too, thanks for checking my work :|

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by tmesis » 30 Apr 2017 20:46

Nameless BR I'm bemused that you think people should only post if they agree with people.
Surely if GWL is entitled to make his point (which he is) , others are entitled to disagree with him. Which I did, in what I thought was a reasonable way with at least an attempt to back up my thoughts.
Why do you think no one who disagreed with him should be allowed to post ? Didn't think you would be one for shutting down debate...

Also, when someone makes comments such as "our goal difference suggests we will lose easily in the play offs" as if losing the away leg three or four nil is a foregone conclusion, they are inviting a heavier rebuttal than if they'd just said it was a cause for concern.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by muirinho » 30 Apr 2017 20:48

Hound In fairness, Stam agreed we played poorly yesterday.

Specifically to the match I didn't think we were brace enough at times. Blackett was getting some abuse for misplaced passes, but he was the only one picking up the ball and driving forward from the back 4. Gunter I thought had a shocker, and Moore defended well but showed no ambition bringing it out


Blackett was picking it up and driving it forward, and then losing it. Time and time again. No good driving it forward if you don't pass it on or do something with it, he hangs onto it too long and gets crowded out.

When Moore brings it forward, it may happen less often, but we get more end product.

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Re: BFTG - Wigan

by Top Flight » 30 Apr 2017 20:49

Our goal difference is twice as good as Huddersfield.

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