Summer Ins and Outs

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by Sutekh » 18 Jul 2017 08:46

I see GR is reporting the "story" that Reading is whinging about the cost of players and salaries in today's transfer market.

So it's just like old times with JM running things :lol:

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... y-13344810

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by mambo3 » 18 Jul 2017 11:44

winchester_royal wrote:The transfer fees shouldn't make too much of an impact as this will just sit on the balance sheet and be amortised over the life of the contact.

E.G. we sign Darlow for £5m on a 5 year contract, we'll be incurring a 'cost' for accounting purposes of only £1m (£5m over 5 years) per year.

It's the wages that are a killer. For any decent player you're looking at £30k a week min. And that's before bonuses, signing on fees, agent fees etc. So let's say that averages out at £40k a week. You're then looking at an annual cost of £2.1m for just one player.

It's crazy money. And just one of these signings could easily push us over the edge of FFP regs.


So we got rid of all those future stars we nurtured plus a few fringe players so we can afford to pay decent wages and buy who?
Are the Chinese millionaires or billionaires?

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by windermereROYAL » 18 Jul 2017 12:12

Sutekh wrote:I see GR is reporting the "story" that Reading is whinging about the cost of players and salaries in today's transfer market.

So it's just like old times with JM running things :lol:

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... y-13344810


So how horribly true is that statement.

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by winchester_royal » 18 Jul 2017 12:12

mambo3 wrote:
winchester_royal wrote:The transfer fees shouldn't make too much of an impact as this will just sit on the balance sheet and be amortised over the life of the contact.

E.G. we sign Darlow for £5m on a 5 year contract, we'll be incurring a 'cost' for accounting purposes of only £1m (£5m over 5 years) per year.

It's the wages that are a killer. For any decent player you're looking at £30k a week min. And that's before bonuses, signing on fees, agent fees etc. So let's say that averages out at £40k a week. You're then looking at an annual cost of £2.1m for just one player.

It's crazy money. And just one of these signings could easily push us over the edge of FFP regs.


So we got rid of all those future stars we nurtured plus a few fringe players so we can afford to pay decent wages and buy who?
Are the Chinese millionaires or billionaires?


Look at the clubs these players have gone to mate.

Shrewsbury
Luton
Motherwell
Blackburn
Lincoln
Grimsby
Charlton

Not exactly the moves of 'future stars' eh?

All decent players who will hopefully make it in the game, but not good enough for us now and all getting to the age where they needed to move on.

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by NewCorkSeth » 18 Jul 2017 14:35

Just read the GetReading article of our fans overreacting online. Our squad depth is, comparatively, not that bad. We have the following all making apps last season :arrow:

GK - Jaakola
DR - Gunter, Watson
DC - McShane, Moore, Ilori, Cooper
DL - Obita, Blackett
MC - Quinn, JVDB, Evans, Kelly, Swift
WG - McCleary, Beerens, Popa, Harriott,
ST - Kermorgant, Mendes

And 2 new transfers in thus far (position unknown)

TBD - Clement, Bodvarsson

Thats a squad of 22 players. Last season only 24 players played more that 100 minutes. 3 of them were loans that arrived in January and 2 of them were transfers that arrived in January. That means before the January transfer window only 19 players regularly played.

With both our Strikers injured atm that makes it clear it we will need reinforcement in that area and the GK department is definitely light but Ulderink just said in an interview he expects 4 more players in. One is bound to be a GK and one is bound to be a striker so why is everyone stressing?


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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by mambo3 » 18 Jul 2017 14:56

winchester_royal wrote:
mambo3 wrote:
winchester_royal wrote:The transfer fees shouldn't make too much of an impact as this will just sit on the balance sheet and be amortised over the life of the contact.

E.G. we sign Darlow for £5m on a 5 year contract, we'll be incurring a 'cost' for accounting purposes of only £1m (£5m over 5 years) per year.

It's the wages that are a killer. For any decent player you're looking at £30k a week min. And that's before bonuses, signing on fees, agent fees etc. So let's say that averages out at £40k a week. You're then looking at an annual cost of £2.1m for just one player.

It's crazy money. And just one of these signings could easily push us over the edge of FFP regs.


So we got rid of all those future stars we nurtured plus a few fringe players so we can afford to pay decent wages and buy who?
Are the Chinese millionaires or billionaires?


Look at the clubs these players have gone to mate.

Shrewsbury
Luton
Motherwell
Blackburn
Lincoln
Grimsby
Charlton

Not exactly the moves of 'future stars' eh?

All decent players who will hopefully make it in the game, but not good enough for us now and all getting to the age where they needed to move on.


Sorry, you mean getting to the age where they should have a fair shout of being in the 1st Team or on the fringe the ones that are getting on
should we be looking at moving them on and also on what basis have you decided they are not good enough. How many clubs are queuing up for our players?

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by From Despair To Where? » 18 Jul 2017 18:57

windermereROYAL wrote:
Sutekh wrote:I see GR is reporting the "story" that Reading is whinging about the cost of players and salaries in today's transfer market.

So it's just like old times with JM running things :lol:

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... y-13344810


So how horribly true is that statement.


By the names of the people being quoted, it seems to be the resident mongtards from the Facebook group, the sort that think not spending £12m on Scott Hogan is showing a lack of ambition.

mambo3 wrote:
Sorry, you mean getting to the age where they should have a fair shout of being in the 1st Team or on the fringe the ones that are getting on
should we be looking at moving them on and also on what basis have you decided they are not good enough. How many clubs are queuing up for our players?


Are you suggesting the likes of Keown and Jules are best served by being 5th or 6th choice centre back? Jules rejected a new deal.

Tanner spent 2 years struggling to get starts in League 2, likewise Fosu last season.
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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by Sutekh » 18 Jul 2017 19:05

Hurtado now looks to officially be no more....

http://sportwitness.co.uk/player-comple ... otiations/

Supposed 4 year deal with Vitoria Guimares, standard undisclosed fee

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by Hound » 18 Jul 2017 19:13

NewCorkSeth wrote:Just read the GetReading article of our fans overreacting online. Our squad depth is, comparatively, not that bad. We have the following all making apps last season :arrow:

GK - Jaakola
DR - Gunter, Watson
DC - McShane, Moore, Ilori, Cooper
DL - Obita, Blackett
MC - Quinn, JVDB, Evans, Kelly, Swift
WG - McCleary, Beerens, Popa, Harriott,
ST - Kermorgant, Mendes

And 2 new transfers in thus far (position unknown)

TBD - Clement, Bodvarsson

Thats a squad of 22 players. Last season only 24 players played more that 100 minutes. 3 of them were loans that arrived in January and 2 of them were transfers that arrived in January. That means before the January transfer window only 19 players regularly played.

With both our Strikers injured atm that makes it clear it we will need reinforcement in that area and the GK department is definitely light but Ulderink just said in an interview he expects 4 more players in. One is bound to be a GK and one is bound to be a striker so why is everyone stressing?


This is true, the squad still shapes up well

As you say though, not only are the two strikers injured, but so are McCleary and Harriott.

We obviously do need to get someone in pretty quickly if we want to start the season well. Beerens as a false 9 hardly fills me with optimism


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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by Sutekh » 18 Jul 2017 19:20

IN

  1. Jon Dadi Bodvarsson - Wolves - Undisclosed
  2. Pelle Clement - Ajax - Undisclosed

NEW DEALS

    Said Bakkati to 30 June 2019
    Jaap Stam to 30 June 2019
    Adries Ulderink to 30 June 2019

  1. Chris Gunter to 30 June 2020
  2. Liam Kelly to 30 June 2020

    Note that Garath McCleary already penned a new 3 year deal earlier this year.
OUT

  1. Ali Al Habsi - Al Hilal - Undisclosed but thought to be around £300k
  2. Harrison Bennett - Released
  3. Harry Cardwell - Grimsby Town - Free
  4. Tariqe Fosu - Charlton Athletic - Undisclosed
  5. Paulo Hurtadi - Vitoria Guimares - Undisclosed
  6. Dominic Hyam - Coventry - Free
  7. Zak Jules - Shrewsbury Town - Undisclosed
  8. Niall Keown - Partick Thistle - Undisclosed
  9. Aaron Kuhl - Released
  10. Sean Long - Lincoln City - Free
  11. Stuart Moore - Barrow - Free
  12. Jack Stacey - Luton Town - Undisclosed
  13. Craig Tanner - Motherwell - Free
  14. Joe Tupper - Released
  15. Terence Vancooten - Stevenage - Free
  16. Danny Williams - Huddersfield - Free

LOANED

  1. Jonathan Bond - Peterborough - Loan (6 Months)
  2. Danzell Gravenberch - KSV Roeselare - Loan (Season)
  3. Yakou Meite - Sochaux-Montbéliard - Loan (Season)
  4. Andrija Novakovich - SC Telstar - Loan (Season)
  5. Deniss Rakels - Lech Poznan - Loan (Season)

ACADEMY

Signing or renewing professional deals this summer are

  1. Axel Andresson (DF)
  2. Ryan East (MF)
  3. George Legg (GK)
  4. Andrija Novakovich (FW) to 30 June 2019
  5. Andy Rinomhota (MF)
  6. Jake Sheppard (DF)
  7. Sam Smith (FW)
  8. Lewis Ward (GK)

    Tyler Frost, Teddy Howe, Ramarni Medford-Smith and Jordan Holsgrove all signed professional deals earlier in 2017
This group will be joined by Liam Driscoll, Ben House, Joel Rollinson and Ade Shokunbi while Ethan Coleman, Tom Holmes and Kosta Sparta have signed professional deals before their scholarship term ended



Dominic Samuel is close to leaving and Vito Mannone is close to joining

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by NewCorkSeth » 18 Jul 2017 19:25

Hound wrote:
NewCorkSeth wrote:Just read the GetReading article of our fans overreacting online. Our squad depth is, comparatively, not that bad. We have the following all making apps last season :arrow:

GK - Jaakola
DR - Gunter, Watson
DC - McShane, Moore, Ilori, Cooper
DL - Obita, Blackett
MC - Quinn, JVDB, Evans, Kelly, Swift
WG - McCleary, Beerens, Popa, Harriott,
ST - Kermorgant, Mendes

And 2 new transfers in thus far (position unknown)

TBD - Clement, Bodvarsson

Thats a squad of 22 players. Last season only 24 players played more that 100 minutes. 3 of them were loans that arrived in January and 2 of them were transfers that arrived in January. That means before the January transfer window only 19 players regularly played.

With both our Strikers injured atm that makes it clear it we will need reinforcement in that area and the GK department is definitely light but Ulderink just said in an interview he expects 4 more players in. One is bound to be a GK and one is bound to be a striker so why is everyone stressing?


This is true, the squad still shapes up well

As you say though, not only are the two strikers injured, but so are McCleary and Harriott.

We obviously do need to get someone in pretty quickly if we want to start the season well. Beerens as a false 9 hardly fills me with optimism


With injuries our squad looks much lighter I accept but I assume our current new signings will fit in a little like this

GK - Jaakola
DR - Gunter
DC - McShane, Moore, Ilori, Cooper
DL - Obita, Blackett
MC - Quinn, JVDB, Evans, Kelly, Swift
WG - Beerens, Popa, Clement
ST - Bodvarsson

And I believe I read in an interview that Mendes is likely to be back for the QPR game (I forgot McShane is suspended) so provided we make the signings our management team is sure we will make there nothing to worry about.

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by double d » 18 Jul 2017 19:37

Sutekh wrote:IN

  1. Jon Dadi Bodvarsson - Wolves - Undisclosed
  2. Pelle Clement - Ajax - Undisclosed

NEW DEALS

    Said Bakkati to 30 June 2019
    Jaap Stam to 30 June 2019
    Adries Ulderink to 30 June 2019

  1. Chris Gunter to 30 June 2020
  2. Liam Kelly to 30 June 2020

    Note that Garath McCleary already penned a new 3 year deal earlier this year.
OUT

  1. Ali Al Habsi - Al Hilal - Undisclosed but thought to be around £300k
  2. Harrison Bennett - Released
  3. Harry Cardwell - Grimsby Town - Free
  4. Tariqe Fosu - Charlton Athletic - Undisclosed
  5. Paulo Hurtadi - Vitoria Guimares - Undisclosed
  6. Dominic Hyam - Coventry - Free
  7. Zak Jules - Shrewsbury Town - Undisclosed
  8. Niall Keown - Partick Thistle - Undisclosed
  9. Aaron Kuhl - Released
  10. Sean Long - Lincoln City - Free
  11. Stuart Moore - Barrow - Free
  12. Jack Stacey - Luton Town - Undisclosed
  13. Craig Tanner - Motherwell - Free
  14. Joe Tupper - Released
  15. Terence Vancooten - Stevenage - Free
  16. Danny Williams - Huddersfield - Free

LOANED

  1. Jonathan Bond - Peterborough - Loan (6 Months)
  2. Danzell Gravenberch - KSV Roeselare - Loan (Season)
  3. Yakou Meite - Sochaux-Montbéliard - Loan (Season)
  4. Andrija Novakovich - SC Telstar - Loan (Season)
  5. Deniss Rakels - Lech Poznan - Loan (Season)

ACADEMY

Signing or renewing professional deals this summer are

  1. Axel Andresson (DF)
  2. Ryan East (MF)
  3. George Legg (GK)
  4. Andrija Novakovich (FW) to 30 June 2019
  5. Andy Rinomhota (MF)
  6. Jake Sheppard (DF)
  7. Sam Smith (FW)
  8. Lewis Ward (GK)

    Tyler Frost, Teddy Howe, Ramarni Medford-Smith and Jordan Holsgrove all signed professional deals earlier in 2017
This group will be joined by Liam Driscoll, Ben House, Joel Rollinson and Ade Shokunbi while Ethan Coleman, Tom Holmes and Kosta Sparta have signed professional deals before their scholarship term ended



Dominic Samuel is close to leaving and Vito Mannone is close to joining


Mannonne is a very solid keeper. More then happy with that signing. Better then AAH

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by PistolPete » 18 Jul 2017 19:41

While I agree there is an overreaction, it's not necessarily that we don't have enough players, it's that there are glaring holes in the squad.

We need a 'midfield destroyer'. Whether we play 4-3-3 or 3-5-2, someone needs to do the dirty work and we don't have that man in the squad.

Blackett is not a left back. Ideally we want an improvement on Obita, at worst we need a reliable backup.

We need an out an out striker to score goals.

We need a keeper to replace Al habsi/cover for our Fin.

That's 4 players and I'm not sure we have any of them yet (and I'm aware of the 2 signings we've made!)


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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by NewCorkSeth » 18 Jul 2017 19:52

PistolPete wrote:While I agree there is an overreaction, it's not necessarily that we don't have enough players, it's that there are glaring holes in the squad.

We need a 'midfield destroyer'. Whether we play 4-3-3 or 3-5-2, someone needs to do the dirty work and we don't have that man in the squad.

Blackett is not a left back. Ideally we want an improvement on Obita, at worst we need a reliable backup.

We need an out an out striker to score goals.

We need a keeper to replace Al habsi/cover for our Fin.

That's 4 players and I'm not sure we have any of them yet (and I'm aware of the 2 signings we've made!)

Ulderink did say he expects 4 more signings (although I doubt LB is a priority)

I think it is harsh to call them glaring holes.
Evans is perfectly capable at sweeping up in midfield and Kelly proved he can track a player all over the pitch.
The Keeper situation seems close to being dealt with.
And most clubs need an out and out striker to score goals..

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by 3points » 18 Jul 2017 21:02

would like a Sidwell-esque box to box midfielder please, though they are a very rare breed these days

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by double d » 18 Jul 2017 21:12

3points wrote:would like a Sidwell-esque box to box midfielder please, though they are a very rare breed these days


Heard kante is available

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by 3points » 18 Jul 2017 21:17

double d wrote:
3points wrote:would like a Sidwell-esque box to box midfielder please, though they are a very rare breed these days


Heard kante is available

More of a defensive midfielder imo.

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by Sutekh » 19 Jul 2017 08:18

NewCorkSeth wrote:Ulderink did say he expects 4 more signings


1. Vito Mannone
2. Class act striker
3. Left back cover
4. Good solid performing midfield all rounder

And I would suggest that one needs to be someone who is a bit of a dead ball specialist to give the team some real & consistent threat from free kicks etc.

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by Hound » 19 Jul 2017 08:56

I'm not that sure we need LB cover. Gunter can move over, Blackett does a (fairly rubbish) job there, hopefully Richards will come through. Quinn as last resort could probably fill in.

Joey is a decent defensive midfielder along with Evans.

The keeper position is now sorted, we obv need to find another forward.

I don't think there are glaring holes as much as lack of squad depth in certain positions. I'd be happy enough to start the season now with Mannone on board and another forward, depending on the situation with Mendes/McCleary and their fitness

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Re: Summer Ins and Outs

by tmesis » 19 Jul 2017 10:12

winchester_royal wrote:The transfer fees shouldn't make too much of an impact as this will just sit on the balance sheet and be amortised over the life of the contact.

E.G. we sign Darlow for £5m on a 5 year contract, we'll be incurring a 'cost' for accounting purposes of only £1m (£5m over 5 years) per year.

It's the wages that are a killer. For any decent player you're looking at £30k a week min. And that's before bonuses, signing on fees, agent fees etc. So let's say that averages out at £40k a week. You're then looking at an annual cost of £2.1m for just one player.

It's crazy money. And just one of these signings could easily push us over the edge of FFP regs.


Surely we aren't signing players on £30k a week in the championship.

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