CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by SCIAG » 27 Aug 2017 13:05

Good player, but this seems somewhat redundant. I'm not really sure what he adds that we don't already have. We already had seven central midfielders, and a good balance at that. With Quinn coming back from injury, we've effectively replaced Williams and Mutch with four players.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Sutekh » 27 Aug 2017 13:40

SCIAG wrote:Good player, but this seems somewhat redundant. I'm not really sure what he adds that we don't already have.



He adds a bloke called Dave to the squad. Reading always do well when they've got a bloke called Dave in the squad.

E.g.

Dave Moreline (1976)
Dave Crown (1984)
Dave Bass (1994)
Dave Kitson (2006)
Dave Le Fondre (2012)

Etc.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Stevie G » 27 Aug 2017 13:53

Sutekh wrote:
SCIAG wrote:Good player, but this seems somewhat redundant. I'm not really sure what he adds that we don't already have.



Dave Le Fondre (2012)

Etc.


That'll be Adam.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by linkenholtroyal » 27 Aug 2017 13:57

I know there both Welsh and I'm not saying all Welsh people look the same, but is it just me or do Dave Edwards and Gunter look like they could be brothers?

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Sutekh » 27 Aug 2017 14:01

Stevie G wrote:
Sutekh wrote:
SCIAG wrote:Good player, but this seems somewhat redundant. I'm not really sure what he adds that we don't already have.



Dave Le Fondre (2012)

Etc.


That'll be Adam.


:wink:


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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by NewCorkSeth » 27 Aug 2017 14:07

Stevie G wrote:
Sutekh wrote:
SCIAG wrote:Good player, but this seems somewhat redundant. I'm not really sure what he adds that we don't already have.



Dave Le Fondre (2012)

Etc.


That'll be Adam.

Who? Dave Le Fondre sounds right to me.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by dontbedaft » 27 Aug 2017 14:33

Of course! I'd feel pretty daft with my DLF tattoo othereise....

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Aug 2017 15:05

SCIAG wrote:Good player, but this seems somewhat redundant. I'm not really sure what he adds that we don't already have. We already had seven central midfielders, and a good balance at that. With Quinn coming back from injury, we've effectively replaced Williams and Mutch with four players.


He adds experience, and a better goalscoring record than most of our midfielders.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by SCIAG » 27 Aug 2017 15:58

Snowflake Royal wrote:
SCIAG wrote:Good player, but this seems somewhat redundant. I'm not really sure what he adds that we don't already have. We already had seven central midfielders, and a good balance at that. With Quinn coming back from injury, we've effectively replaced Williams and Mutch with four players.


He adds experience, and a better goalscoring record than most of our midfielders.

Not at all sold on the benefits of adding another experienced player. We've got plenty of old heads around, including Quinn and Joey in midfield.

His goalscoring record is good, but not as good as Swift or Kelly (although he's played at a higher level).

I guess you could argue that he combines goalscoring and experience in a way that none of our other midfielders do :wink: but I am struggling to see what his role in the squad would be.

If the rumours are true and Stam doesn't rate Quinn then I guess he could be a replacement there.


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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by The Real Sandhurst Royal » 27 Aug 2017 16:30

Always rated Dave Edwards. Who will be leaving in the coming days?

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by maffff » 27 Aug 2017 16:35

SCIAG wrote:His goalscoring record is good, but not as good as Swift or Kelly (although he's played at a higher level)..


Over his career, including the PL, it eclipses Kelly last season and the beginning of this.

Only just behind Swift last season, but over a considerably longer period.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Hound » 27 Aug 2017 16:43

Quinn will be off on loan

I like him but he has barely played in 2 years, being injured for the majority

Joey likewise is injury and suspension prone

Would be utterly foolish to rely on those 2 for a 50 game season

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by SCIAG » 27 Aug 2017 16:59

maffff wrote:
SCIAG wrote:His goalscoring record is good, but not as good as Swift or Kelly (although he's played at a higher level)..


Over his career, including the PL, it eclipses Kelly last season and the beginning of this.

That means including lots of lower-level appearances for Edwards (including the same number of Conference games and over 100 fourth-tier games).

Championship alone, Edwards scores twice as often - but Kelly has mostly been used in a deep-lying role, and has been prolific after being pushed forward this season. Swift beats Edwards as comfortably as Edwards beats Kelly.

If they all played 46 games, we'd expect 3 goals from Kelly, 6 or 7 from Edwards, and 11 or 12 from Swift. The most uncertainty surrounds Kelly, while there's fairly little surrounding Edwards (uncertainty, of course, works both ways).

Hound wrote:Quinn will be off on loan

I like him but he has barely played in 2 years, being injured for the majority

Joey likewise is injury and suspension prone

Would be utterly foolish to rely on those 2 for a 50 game season

Even without those two, we have almost two whole midfields - Evans, Kelly, Bacuna, Swift, and Clement.


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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Hound » 27 Aug 2017 17:46

4 of which are 22 or below and one of whom has just joined

Think we've seen a combo of Evans, Swift, Kelly and Clement aren't strong enough for a number of teams in this division - esp away from home

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Aug 2017 19:00

It feels a bit like Edwards and Bacuna are slightly more complete players than our longer serving midfielders.

Quinn's hard working and energetic, but has never struck me as much of a goalscorer ot creator.
Kelly's tenacious and creative but he can get dominated too easily sometimes and he hasn't scored loads.
Swift drifts in and out of games and usually offers little defensively
Joey offers less going forward and can be a walkong yellow card
Evans is probably closest to them, but is still developing.
Clement's still a bit of an unknown quantity but looks similar to Swift.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by SpaghettiHoop » 27 Aug 2017 19:18

NewCorkSeth wrote:
Stevie G wrote:
Sutekh wrote:

Dave Le Fondre (2012)

Etc.


That'll be Adam.

Who? Dave Le Fondre sounds right to me.


They called him Dave after you, Rodney.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by NewCorkSeth » 27 Aug 2017 20:01

Snowflake Royal wrote:It feels a bit like Edwards and Bacuna are slightly more complete players than our longer serving midfielders.

Quinn's hard working and energetic, but has never struck me as much of a goalscorer ot creator.
Kelly's tenacious and creative but he can get dominated too easily sometimes and he hasn't scored loads.
Swift drifts in and out of games and usually offers little defensively
Joey offers less going forward and can be a walkong yellow card
Evans is probably closest to them, but is still developing.
Clement's still a bit of an unknown quantity but looks similar to Swift.

Seems harsh to lampoon Kelly for not scoring loads.. he has only played 1 season of football. He's on 3 thus far so it would be foolish (imo) to bother including him in this debate!

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Lower West » 27 Aug 2017 20:09

NewCorkSeth wrote:Kelly's tenacious and creative but he can get dominated too easily sometimes and he hasn't scored loads.


Physical teams target Kelly. Result he gets subbed early in the game. Has a great future. Needs to spend time in the gym first though.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by NewCorkSeth » 27 Aug 2017 20:13

Lower West wrote:
NewCorkSeth wrote:Kelly's tenacious and creative but he can get dominated too easily sometimes and he hasn't scored loads.


Physical teams target Kelly. Result he gets subbed early in the game. Has a great future. Needs to spend time in the gym first though.

Hey buddy.. that's not my quote. Don't go putting words in my mouth.

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Re: CONFIMRED - Dave Edwards

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Aug 2017 23:25

NewCorkSeth wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:It feels a bit like Edwards and Bacuna are slightly more complete players than our longer serving midfielders.

Quinn's hard working and energetic, but has never struck me as much of a goalscorer ot creator.
Kelly's tenacious and creative but he can get dominated too easily sometimes and he hasn't scored loads.
Swift drifts in and out of games and usually offers little defensively
Joey offers less going forward and can be a walkong yellow card
Evans is probably closest to them, but is still developing.
Clement's still a bit of an unknown quantity but looks similar to Swift.

Seems harsh to lampoon Kelly for not scoring loads.. he has only played 1 season of football. He's on 3 thus far so it would be foolish (imo) to bother including him in this debate!

I'm not lampooning him, he's only going to improve and he's already the heartbeat of the team. But he excels in some areas and is weaker in others. The point I was making is not that Bacuna and Edwards are better, but that they're more allrounders. Which means you don't have quite the same pressure to pick the right combination with the more specialist midfielders.

And I'd say foolish to ignore Kelly seeing as he's clearly a first team regular.

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