by Hound » 18 Sep 2017 11:06
by Snowflake Royal » 18 Sep 2017 11:47
by Tilehurstsouthbank » 18 Sep 2017 12:11
Snowflake Royal The window for playing multiple inexperienced youngsters is incredibly slim in this insanely competitive division.
When you have nothing really to aim for and either no fear of going down, or expecting to go down so there's nothing to lose. Or when you're 2-3 goals to the good with 10 - 20 minutes left.
I'll admit I'm disappointed Watson got injured, I was really looking forward to him getting some more cup games and building the experience that lets us ditch Gunter.
I was sad to see Hyam, Tanner and Stacey go, although, I'm not convinced Stacey fits the current system that well. Kuhl was a massive let down after some very promising starts. I think the departure of Adkins and arrival of that tosser Clarke totally fooked his career.
by Snowflake Royal » 18 Sep 2017 12:16
TilehurstsouthbankSnowflake Royal The window for playing multiple inexperienced youngsters is incredibly slim in this insanely competitive division.
When you have nothing really to aim for and either no fear of going down, or expecting to go down so there's nothing to lose. Or when you're 2-3 goals to the good with 10 - 20 minutes left.
I'll admit I'm disappointed Watson got injured, I was really looking forward to him getting some more cup games and building the experience that lets us ditch Gunter.
I was sad to see Hyam, Tanner and Stacey go, although, I'm not convinced Stacey fits the current system that well. Kuhl was a massive let down after some very promising starts. I think the departure of Adkins and arrival of that tosser Clarke totally fooked his career.
Nothing to do with Kuhl's own attitude? He had multiple loans and did pretty much oxf*rd all. If you can't hold down a place at Boreham Wood on loan, you're not trying hard enough. I'd love it if he popped up somewhere and really made a name for himself, but I think he went all Billy big spuds after his initial Reading debut went to his head.
by Tilehurstsouthbank » 18 Sep 2017 12:31
Snowflake RoyalTilehurstsouthbankSnowflake Royal The window for playing multiple inexperienced youngsters is incredibly slim in this insanely competitive division.
When you have nothing really to aim for and either no fear of going down, or expecting to go down so there's nothing to lose. Or when you're 2-3 goals to the good with 10 - 20 minutes left.
I'll admit I'm disappointed Watson got injured, I was really looking forward to him getting some more cup games and building the experience that lets us ditch Gunter.
I was sad to see Hyam, Tanner and Stacey go, although, I'm not convinced Stacey fits the current system that well. Kuhl was a massive let down after some very promising starts. I think the departure of Adkins and arrival of that tosser Clarke totally fooked his career.
Nothing to do with Kuhl's own attitude? He had multiple loans and did pretty much oxf*rd all. If you can't hold down a place at Boreham Wood on loan, you're not trying hard enough. I'd love it if he popped up somewhere and really made a name for himself, but I think he went all Billy big spuds after his initial Reading debut went to his head.
Yes, agreed. But I think part of that was frustration and a lack of opportunity having proved himself as capable at Championship level and then being dropped and ignored. And I don't really think the loans he was sent out on were well thought out in terms of suitability for him.
by Snowflake Royal » 18 Sep 2017 12:44
by mambo3 » 18 Sep 2017 12:50
TilehurstsouthbankSnowflake RoyalTilehurstsouthbank
Nothing to do with Kuhl's own attitude? He had multiple loans and did pretty much oxf*rd all. If you can't hold down a place at Boreham Wood on loan, you're not trying hard enough. I'd love it if he popped up somewhere and really made a name for himself, but I think he went all Billy big spuds after his initial Reading debut went to his head.
Yes, agreed. But I think part of that was frustration and a lack of opportunity having proved himself as capable at Championship level and then being dropped and ignored. And I don't really think the loans he was sent out on were well thought out in terms of suitability for him.
A valid point but was Bath City a good loan choice for Kelly? Maybe, maybe not but he sure made the best of it.
by From Despair To Where? » 18 Sep 2017 15:04
by muirinho » 18 Sep 2017 15:39
From Despair To Where? Kuhl looked competent in his first team runouts but didn't look any better than Jake Taylor or Ryan Edwards.
Tanner spent 2 years on the bench at Plymouth and Fosu struggled to get games in League 2.
by Stranded » 18 Sep 2017 15:51
mambo3TilehurstsouthbankSnowflake Royal Yes, agreed. But I think part of that was frustration and a lack of opportunity having proved himself as capable at Championship level and then being dropped and ignored. And I don't really think the loans he was sent out on were well thought out in terms of suitability for him.
A valid point but was Bath City a good loan choice for Kelly? Maybe, maybe not but he sure made the best of it.
Kelly didn't play a lot of games and was sub more often then not for Bath city and if the truth be known was not rated. however he certainly proved them wrong now and shows that if the have a manager who likes the way you play and gives you a chance then only positive things
can happen.
by mambo3 » 18 Sep 2017 16:13
Strandedmambo3Tilehurstsouthbank
A valid point but was Bath City a good loan choice for Kelly? Maybe, maybe not but he sure made the best of it.
Kelly didn't play a lot of games and was sub more often then not for Bath city and if the truth be known was not rated. however he certainly proved them wrong now and shows that if the have a manager who likes the way you play and gives you a chance then only positive things
can happen.
That would be the Liam Kelly who joined on loan at Bath initially for one month in Feb '16, was extended to the end of the season, played 16 games (i.e. pretty much all of them) and scored 6 goals - that Liam Kelly?
by SCIAG » 18 Sep 2017 16:26
muirinhoFrom Despair To Where? Kuhl looked competent in his first team runouts but didn't look any better than Jake Taylor or Ryan Edwards.
Tanner spent 2 years on the bench at Plymouth and Fosu struggled to get games in League 2.
Quite a lot of players "don't look out of place" when they get a runout with the first team. But that doesn't mean they are as good as what's normally there. If you just have one or two newbies, the rest of the team can carry them and protect them. But that may end up dragging the whole team performance down slightly, because of the effort of doing that. So you have the odd situation that, superficially at least, the junior looks better than they actually are, because their mistakes are being covered, and the other players look worse than they are, because they are the ones doing the covering.
To actually break in to the first team, a player needs to be (a) demonstrably better than the player he's replacing, or (b) the team as a whole is better with that replacement than with his predecessor. Or both!
by From Despair To Where? » 18 Sep 2017 16:29
muirinhoFrom Despair To Where? Kuhl looked competent in his first team runouts but didn't look any better than Jake Taylor or Ryan Edwards.
Tanner spent 2 years on the bench at Plymouth and Fosu struggled to get games in League 2.
Quite a lot of players "don't look out of place" when they get a runout with the first team. But that doesn't mean they are as good as what's normally there. If you just have one or two newbies, the rest of the team can carry them and protect them. But that may end up dragging the whole team performance down slightly, because of the effort of doing that. So you have the odd situation that, superficially at least, the junior looks better than they actually are, because their mistakes are being covered, and the other players look worse than they are, because they are the ones doing the covering.
To actually break in to the first team, a player needs to be (a) demonstrably better than the player he's replacing, or (b) the team as a whole is better with that replacement than with his predecessor. Or both!
by Snowflake Royal » 18 Sep 2017 18:55
From Despair To Where?muirinhoFrom Despair To Where? Kuhl looked competent in his first team runouts but didn't look any better than Jake Taylor or Ryan Edwards.
Tanner spent 2 years on the bench at Plymouth and Fosu struggled to get games in League 2.
Quite a lot of players "don't look out of place" when they get a runout with the first team. But that doesn't mean they are as good as what's normally there. If you just have one or two newbies, the rest of the team can carry them and protect them. But that may end up dragging the whole team performance down slightly, because of the effort of doing that. So you have the odd situation that, superficially at least, the junior looks better than they actually are, because their mistakes are being covered, and the other players look worse than they are, because they are the ones doing the covering.
To actually break in to the first team, a player needs to be (a) demonstrably better than the player he's replacing, or (b) the team as a whole is better with that replacement than with his predecessor. Or both!
People raved about Kuhl because he was captain of a very talented pool of players that did well at age group level.
Where are that team now?
by From Despair To Where? » 18 Sep 2017 19:08
by Snowflake Royal » 18 Sep 2017 20:01
From Despair To Where? ....but failing to match the hype. That's not their fault though, its down to unrealistic expectations maybe because of the graduation return of Pearce, Karacan, Sigurdsson, HRK, Church and Obita (half a team basically) in the space of 3 years.
I'd rather we had realistic expectations. Currently we have Kelly and potentially Watson and Andreasson making an impact on the first team. That's a pretty good return
by WAZZOCK » 18 Sep 2017 20:36
TilehurstsouthbankSnowflake Royal The window for playing multiple inexperienced youngsters is incredibly slim in this insanely competitive division.
When you have nothing really to aim for and either no fear of going down, or expecting to go down so there's nothing to lose. Or when you're 2-3 goals to the good with 10 - 20 minutes left.
I'll admit I'm disappointed Watson got injured, I was really looking forward to him getting some more cup games and building the experience that lets us ditch Gunter.
I was sad to see Hyam, Tanner and Stacey go, although, I'm not convinced Stacey fits the current system that well. Kuhl was a massive let down after some very promising starts. I think the departure of Adkins and arrival of that tosser Clarke totally fooked his career.
Nothing to do with Kuhl's own attitude? He had multiple loans and did pretty much oxf*rd all. If you can't hold down a place at Boreham Wood on loan, you're not trying hard enough. I'd love it if he popped up somewhere and really made a name for himself, but I think he went all Billy big spuds after his initial Reading debut went to his head.
by 3points » 18 Sep 2017 20:41
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