by genome » 02 Dec 2017 17:26
by Oilroyal » 02 Dec 2017 17:30
genome Yup. As I said at the time, that Forest match was actually the last straw for me, if he had lost it then I would've been Stam Out.
But he didn't - he's changed things and we've been top 6 form since then.
by Snowflake Royal » 02 Dec 2017 17:32
genome All I will say is, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Stam was rightly under pressure. He has improved massively since the Forest match.
by genome » 02 Dec 2017 17:36
Oilroyalgenome Yup. As I said at the time, that Forest match was actually the last straw for me, if he had lost it then I would've been Stam Out.
But he didn't - he's changed things and we've been top 6 form since then.
He hasn’t changed anything, he’s just changed the way HE approaches the game. Before it was all about him
by Oilroyal » 02 Dec 2017 17:39
by Oilroyal » 02 Dec 2017 17:43
genomeOilroyalgenome Yup. As I said at the time, that Forest match was actually the last straw for me, if he had lost it then I would've been Stam Out.
But he didn't - he's changed things and we've been top 6 form since then.
He hasn’t changed anything, he’s just changed the way HE approaches the game. Before it was all about him
Not really sure what you mean by that - there have been clear changes
He's dropped Blackett, settled on a first XI and more recently, stopped playing Beerens. Tactically I've noticed more runs off the ball and he's playing Aluko and Barrow further out wide, where they look more dangerous.
by Snowflake Royal » 02 Dec 2017 18:01
genomeOilroyalgenome Yup. As I said at the time, that Forest match was actually the last straw for me, if he had lost it then I would've been Stam Out.
But he didn't - he's changed things and we've been top 6 form since then.
He hasn’t changed anything, he’s just changed the way HE approaches the game. Before it was all about him
Not really sure what you mean by that - there have been clear changes
He's dropped Blackett, settled on a first XI and more recently, stopped playing Beerens. Tactically I've noticed more runs off the ball and he's playing Aluko and Barrow further out wide, where they look more dangerous.
by PistolPete » 02 Dec 2017 18:30
leonPistolPete 87 people wanted Stam out. 87 people cared nothing for a play off hangover, for all the strikers being injured and the board failing to bring in another during the window, for further key injuries to Evans, Obita, McCleary, Swift and others. They cared nothing that Al-Habsi, the player of the season was sold, or that Reading had overachieved last season.
So, how many of the 87 will hold their hands up and say they've changed their minds?
Or maybe they still think there are better managers out there available and in our price range?!
What an odd post. How can you confidently say any of that?
by leon » 02 Dec 2017 18:50
PistolPeteleonPistolPete 87 people wanted Stam out. 87 people cared nothing for a play off hangover, for all the strikers being injured and the board failing to bring in another during the window, for further key injuries to Evans, Obita, McCleary, Swift and others. They cared nothing that Al-Habsi, the player of the season was sold, or that Reading had overachieved last season.
So, how many of the 87 will hold their hands up and say they've changed their minds?
Or maybe they still think there are better managers out there available and in our price range?!
What an odd post. How can you confidently say any of that?
Because they voted out. QED.
I know you sat on the fence, but if you voted out, you felt the mitigating circumstances were not enough...
by Hound » 02 Dec 2017 18:56
by bcubed » 02 Dec 2017 21:11
by royalp-we » 02 Dec 2017 21:23
by Snowflake Royal » 02 Dec 2017 21:35
bcubed Many people were justifiably concerned about performance and that probably included the owners.
I suspect that with a couple more losses (instead of wins v Forest and Derby) Stam would have gone.
So it seems strange after a few good results to now say You see I told you there was nothing to worry about
I believe those earlier opinions were perfectly reasonable and not invalidated through hindsight
by Denver Royal » 03 Dec 2017 01:59
genome All I will say is, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
by TiagoIlori » 03 Dec 2017 02:09
Denver Royalgenome All I will say is, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing? That's original. (And so is foresight. That's even more wonderful...though maybe less quoted or acknowledged).
But that's all you can say, huh? Well, you could say that in hindsight you were wrong? And it wouldn't matter much anyway, right? A meaningless internet message board and all that, in the linear passage of time. No big deal, huh?
Or, you could say that Snowflake, et al, had it right? I mean we can't all be right...or wrong...or whatever.
But as I understand it, you are saying anyone that didn't say 'out' at the time when you did..or others did...(did you take them to task?)...was wrong. Hmm, right?
Which of course now lends itself to facilitate that most ghastly of landscape environments. Ah, the terrible beauty. Whereby, with each win, it will stick in some craw...(of course in denial thereof)...and some will hate him even more, even willing us to lose, as some at the stadium have now witnessed and attest to. (But I hate his bald head, and I always will! And I'm gonna zealously hang on every word of his 'manager-speak' radio interviews to dig out the juicy bits and nail his ass..haha...and if he's boring and company-line I'll nail him for that anyway).
FWIW, which of course is absolutely nowt, I'll call for Stams head if and when I feel it's due. Meanwhile, its utterly embarrassing in here this thread is active. On a game to game basis. Really? Read it and weap. It's even more active than a Sunderland game thread where on a long road trip we won away against a desperate team (its barely a page long...and you know it would be longer if we had lost).
Anyways genome, all the managers in the Champ that finished below 3rd last season...to a young, foreign, first year manager, who joined late in the summer...many of them should all have been fired, right? Yep, you don't know or care about their 'situations'. Or am I missing something in your logic of entitlement?
And no, I'm not expecting, and nor do I feel entitled to, promotion this season. I wouldn't be shocked (tho of course I'd be disappointed) with mid table, and re-load for next season.
And you know what promotion would mean anyway, right? We'd want Stam out by Xmas (at the very latest, on evidence of 10 games this season) and we'd be crying about the prices of match tix and how we much more enjoy it in the Champ anyway. Adios.
by genome » 03 Dec 2017 10:26
Denver Royalgenome All I will say is, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing? That's original. (And so is foresight. That's even more wonderful...though maybe less quoted or acknowledged).
But that's all you can say, huh? Well, you could say that in hindsight you were wrong? And it wouldn't matter much anyway, right? A meaningless internet message board and all that, in the linear passage of time. No big deal, huh?
Or, you could say that Snowflake, et al, had it right? I mean we can't all be right...or wrong...or whatever.
But as I understand it, you are saying anyone that didn't say 'out' at the time when you did..or others did...(did you take them to task?)...was wrong. Hmm, right?
Which of course now lends itself to facilitate that most ghastly of landscape environments. Ah, the terrible beauty. Whereby, with each win, it will stick in some craw...(of course in denial thereof)...and some will hate him even more, even willing us to lose, as some at the stadium have now witnessed and attest to. (But I hate his bald head, and I always will! And I'm gonna zealously hang on every word of his 'manager-speak' radio interviews to dig out the juicy bits and nail his ass..haha...and if he's boring and company-line I'll nail him for that anyway).
FWIW, which of course is absolutely nowt, I'll call for Stams head if and when I feel it's due. Meanwhile, its utterly embarrassing in here this thread is active. On a game to game basis. Really? Read it and weap. It's even more active than a Sunderland game thread where on a long road trip we won away against a desperate team (its barely a page long...and you know it would be longer if we had lost).
Anyways genome, all the managers in the Champ that finished below 3rd last season...to a young, foreign, first year manager, who joined late in the summer...many of them should all have been fired, right? Yep, you don't know or care about their 'situations'. Or am I missing something in your logic of entitlement?
And no, I'm not expecting, and nor do I feel entitled to, promotion this season. I wouldn't be shocked (tho of course I'd be disappointed) with mid table, and re-load for next season.
And you know what promotion would mean anyway, right? We'd want Stam out by Xmas (at the very latest, on evidence of 10 games this season) and we'd be crying about the prices of match tix and how we much more enjoy it in the Champ anyway. Adios.
by KC Royal » 03 Dec 2017 14:30
by Hound » 03 Dec 2017 19:26
by Snowflake Royal » 03 Dec 2017 19:48
Hound I do feel frustrated by the season btw, as I suspect a lot of other players and fans do
Less so yesterday, but I remember actually feeling quite annoyed after the Derby game as I knew the squad was capable of that sort of performance - and it almost made the Hull/Millwall/QPR/Norwich etc games even more unacceptable
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