by Snowflake Royal » 04 Nov 2017 16:18
by Lower West » 05 Nov 2017 09:12
leonLower West Stam has shown good management with the introduction of Smith. Leave the decisions to him. As to when players are ready.
Hmm could have done it several games earlier. We might have a few more points.
by maffff » 05 Nov 2017 11:43
by From Despair To Where? » 05 Nov 2017 14:56
maffff Seems we've pushed out a load of youth that were always seemingly a year or two away for a group a similar distance, but much younger and arguably with more potential when they reach the same age.
by Hound » 05 Nov 2017 15:36
by tidus_mi2 » 05 Nov 2017 16:35
by Snowflake Royal » 05 Nov 2017 17:54
Hound Agreed. Smith and Richards acquitted themselves well and Richards could have a little run now at LB
Fosu is still the only one who I think may come back to bite us, but you can’t keep hold of players his age forever in the fear they may fulfil their potential
by tidus_mi2 » 05 Nov 2017 18:04
by maffff » 05 Nov 2017 18:36
tidus_mi2 Of those three you mention, only Fosu is currently showing signs he could well have done a job for us at his new club.
by From Despair To Where? » 05 Nov 2017 18:45
by SCIAG » 05 Nov 2017 20:12
From Despair To Where? It's no different to Swift taking a step down to play for us. Just because he's doing well, doesn't mean Chelsea were wrong to release him.
by WAZZOCK » 05 Nov 2017 20:23
From Despair To Where? ...and not forgetting Fosu had 2 years of underwhelming loan spells in League 2 under his belt. Maybe, just maybe playing in League 1 with more realistic expectations is what he needs to take his career forward.
It's no different to Swift taking a step down to play for us. Just because he's doing well, doesn't mean Chelsea were wrong to release him.
I think Stam's managing the academy players well, a staged and gradual introduction to the first team for those he seems have something to offer. We haven't got a Rooney or an Owen, someone who is leaps and bounds ahead of their age group and certain players had ample opportunity to go out on loan and prove themselves. I don't think the occasional 5 or 10 minutes off the bench when we are chasing or looking to close out a game is useful for the development of any youngster.
by Lower West » 05 Nov 2017 20:46
From Despair To Where? It's no different to Swift taking a step down to play for us. Just because he's doing well, doesn't mean Chelsea were wrong to release him.
by From Despair To Where? » 05 Nov 2017 21:39
SCIAG The young wingers should have been getting the minutes we've given to the likes of Hurtado, John, Harriott and Popa. Stacey could also have played wing-back when we were improvising with the likes of McCleary and Williams there. Tanner could potentially have got some of Grabban's minutes too. That's quite a sizeable amount of game time really, and would quite probably have been better for them than farming them out to play in a completely different style and a different position with a bunch of strangers and a manager who barely knows them.
by leon » 06 Nov 2017 00:44
Lower WestleonLower West Stam has shown good management with the introduction of Smith. Leave the decisions to him. As to when players are ready.
Hmm could have done it several games earlier. We might have a few more points.
More to introducing than simply announcing a name on the teamsheet.
by Readingfanman » 06 Nov 2017 10:19
mafffftidus_mi2 Could have kept him over Clement I guess, although Clement looks like he'll be some player in a few years.
by Snowflake Royal » 06 Nov 2017 17:04
From Despair To Where?SCIAG The young wingers should have been getting the minutes we've given to the likes of Hurtado, John, Harriott and Popa. Stacey could also have played wing-back when we were improvising with the likes of McCleary and Williams there. Tanner could potentially have got some of Grabban's minutes too. That's quite a sizeable amount of game time really, and would quite probably have been better for them than farming them out to play in a completely different style and a different position with a bunch of strangers and a manager who barely knows them.
Are you really arguing that players who struggled to get game time in League 2 should recalled and been selected ahead of an established international (Popa) and an established Championship striker (Grabban) in a team challenging for promotion to the Premiership?
by Hound » 06 Nov 2017 17:33
by From Despair To Where? » 06 Nov 2017 18:06
Snowflake RoyalFrom Despair To Where?SCIAG The young wingers should have been getting the minutes we've given to the likes of Hurtado, John, Harriott and Popa. Stacey could also have played wing-back when we were improvising with the likes of McCleary and Williams there. Tanner could potentially have got some of Grabban's minutes too. That's quite a sizeable amount of game time really, and would quite probably have been better for them than farming them out to play in a completely different style and a different position with a bunch of strangers and a manager who barely knows them.
Are you really arguing that players who struggled to get game time in League 2 should recalled and been selected ahead of an established international (Popa) and an established Championship striker (Grabban) in a team challenging for promotion to the Premiership?
I think he's correctly saying those players shouldn't have been signed to bloat our squad when we had potential quality to fill their roles already at much cheaper wages, so we shouldn't have loaned them out.
We should be using the Academy players for cover and signing 2/3/5 quality new players, rather than 10/11/13.
John, Vydra, Grabban, Piazon, Meite... all utter disappointments. Popa's barely played. Absolutely no reason Fosu, Stacey and Tanner couldn't have been given 5-10 games to see how they did instead. (Obvs Vydra is an odd man out there as someone you could expect quality from).
They couldn't have contributed much less and they'd have saved us a huge amount of money.
by Snowflake Royal » 06 Nov 2017 21:13
From Despair To Where?
I agree that Clarke used far too many loans, I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but that's a different set up and that season was a complete clusterfcuk.. The current management team seem to get a lot of unfair criticism in this respect. For someone who apparently isn't keen on the academy, how many academy players have actually made their first team debut under Stam?
From Despair To Where? Meite is young and was signed from a big European club and showed potential. Popa and Grabban were signed in January. The academy players were already out on loan. Fosu had spent a year in League 2 and shown nothing. If he had shown the same form for us as he showed for Colchester, he would have been absolutely hammered. Tanner was talking in terms of signing for a second loan in order to secure a permanent contract with Plymouth. He was used less and less and is now playing in Scotland. What does that tell you?
From Despair To Where? Are we going to recall these players from loans (assuming we could) on the promise of maybe a couple of games and with the knowledge that they are not performing at a lower level or do we play the percentages and sign an experienced player relatively cheaply with the aim of getting us up?
From Despair To Where? The management team will have looked at the academy players and either decided they needed further development out on loan, or gave them a chance to prove themselves in the first team squad. Some did well (Kelly), some showed they have potential (Watson), some there was something missing (Samuel).
From Despair To Where? I actually don't think academy players should be used wholesale as cover. We should have a first team core of 20-23 players with
the academy earning a place on merit or filling the odd gap on the fringe. Some academy players have the good fortune to progress because of injury but the path to the first team should be based on merit and ability. The club staff see a lot more of these players than anyone on here and are much better placed to judge.
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