In or Out? New poll.

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Stam in or Stam out?

In - give him more time
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24%
Out - we need an urgent change
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Undecided - I just don’t know
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11%
Ian Royal - all RFC fans are idiots
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4%
 
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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Hound » 31 Dec 2017 13:17

Also can’t really say ‘Bristol were awful’ - they are the second best team behind an exceptional Wolves team in the division

We do have a strange habit of making other teams look rubbish tbh. Think we bring them down to our level a bit

Regarding Stam, and on reflection I think if the right person was available who would fit in with the players we have, I’d be happy to see him go. Warburton would be an option, or as mentioned I love us to get Dean Smith if he’d come

I’d rather Stam stay than see someone come in who rips everything up and starts again

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by leon » 31 Dec 2017 14:08

Despite being quite a vocal critic of Stam, I voted In. Not entirely convinced, mind.

Yes the football is shit and yes the results are poor at present.

However, we’ve seen glimpses of what he’s trying to achieve. I think he needs assistance to develop the team and some more time.

And it bothers me that there’s no logical successor really, unless we poach someone.

And we can’t really complain about footballs increasing short termism and then want a manager sacked after a bad run.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Denver Royal » 31 Dec 2017 14:08

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Hound wrote:Gary Monk has just failed at 2 champ clubs

I think dull and boring is pretty subjective. When we play well, we are good to watch - ie Derby, Wolves, forest, Villa. Problem is these performances are few and far between

To be honest, play any system badly and it’s shit to watch. Would rather see us try to play football than the hoof ball dross served up by the likes of Cardiff


I agree that playing any system badly is bad to watch but the way Stam is wanting us to play is bad to watch when we play it well! He isn't trying to have us play on the front foot and attack teams, there's hardly been a sniff of that from the team and nothing from him to suggest that he wants them to play at a higher tempo or with a little more attacking verve.

As for Monk, he didn't fail at Leeds, he walked out on them whilst they were looking to hand him a new deal. To do what he did there, at a basket case of a club, was a success in my opinion. He won nearly half his games and just missed out on the play offs and played some pretty good stuff from what I remember.

At 'Boro he was doing ok too, winning half his games again and being pretty well positioned. I'm not really sure what went on there apart from 'Boro perhaps having some unrealistic expectations. He did pretty well at Swansea too IMO.

Fair points. My only argument for not sacking Stam is that we're going through managers too quickly, and you should allow the man in charge to fail once as long as it doesn't set the club back too far - e.g. no relegation.

IObviously the ideal is that we get in a new manager who plays exciting successful football and we return to the glory days of Coppell / McGhee / Pardew etc. (I don't say McDermott because I really didn't enjoy his style of play - only the results it brought). But how likely is that exactly? It didn't work with Rodgers, Adkins, Clarke and apparently now Stam. Changing the manager is expensive and it appears rarely actually achieves anything. So if we've given someone a three year plan, lets see it out.


Anyone think Adkins may do ok at Hull? He seems to still be respected in the game.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by leon » 31 Dec 2017 14:11

Denver Royal wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:
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I agree that playing any system badly is bad to watch but the way Stam is wanting us to play is bad to watch when we play it well! He isn't trying to have us play on the front foot and attack teams, there's hardly been a sniff of that from the team and nothing from him to suggest that he wants them to play at a higher tempo or with a little more attacking verve.

As for Monk, he didn't fail at Leeds, he walked out on them whilst they were looking to hand him a new deal. To do what he did there, at a basket case of a club, was a success in my opinion. He won nearly half his games and just missed out on the play offs and played some pretty good stuff from what I remember.

At 'Boro he was doing ok too, winning half his games again and being pretty well positioned. I'm not really sure what went on there apart from 'Boro perhaps having some unrealistic expectations. He did pretty well at Swansea too IMO.

Fair points. My only argument for not sacking Stam is that we're going through managers too quickly, and you should allow the man in charge to fail once as long as it doesn't set the club back too far - e.g. no relegation.

IObviously the ideal is that we get in a new manager who plays exciting successful football and we return to the glory days of Coppell / McGhee / Pardew etc. (I don't say McDermott because I really didn't enjoy his style of play - only the results it brought). But how likely is that exactly? It didn't work with Rodgers, Adkins, Clarke and apparently now Stam. Changing the manager is expensive and it appears rarely actually achieves anything. So if we've given someone a three year plan, lets see it out.


Anyone think Adkins may do ok at Hull? He seems to still be respected in the game. Well, outside of the MAdStad anyway:)


Not sure they go mad for the fake tan and Armani suit combo up there.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Dr_Hfuhruhurr » 31 Dec 2017 14:15

leon wrote:
Not sure they go mad for the fake tan and Armani suit combo up there.



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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Snowflake Royal » 31 Dec 2017 14:15

He's not an inherently bad manager as his spells at Scunny and Saints prove. So he's got a decent chance.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by leon » 31 Dec 2017 14:16

Dr_Hfuhruhurr wrote:
leon wrote:
Not sure they go mad for the fake tan and Armani suit combo up there.



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Ha :lol:

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Woodcote Royal » 31 Dec 2017 14:33

Out and happy to drive him to wherever he wants to be dropped.

If they're vaguely interested, the likes of Brian McDermott and Wally Downes must be looking on in disbelief :|

In recent years we have enjoyed much success while managed by lesser names forced to work on a shoestring. Downes wasn't a world class defender but his defence produced the goods against far better teams than Burton and Barnsley.

McDermott still gets regular slaggings here despite the fact he could only dream of getting Stam's Championship budget even after reaching the top flight on a wing and a prayer :|

I love watching centre halves like Moore who are good on the ball but anyone who prefers Stam's Reading team to Brian's storming up the table winning at Southampton and West Ham in a run of 15 wins in 17? to take the title, really needs to extract their head from their backside.

To suggest we can't find someone who can get more from this talented group of players is simply laughable and now is the right time to act having failed to grasp the nettle so far.

We can't afford to let Stam loose in this transfer window and I wouldn't be surprised if plans are afoot to have him removed before the cheque book is opened.

We have to move on NOW!!! It's as simple as that in my view.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by biff » 31 Dec 2017 15:24

Utterly clueless manager, weird cuck fans thinking sticking with him is going to manifest in success are suffering from stockholm syndrome. We are just a stepping stone for him, hes said that himself. Lets make sure its one of those takeshi's castle ones where he slips off and brains himself. twat.


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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by ImJappy » 31 Dec 2017 15:29

I understand why Reading fans are wanting Stam to be sacked, but from a financial point of view, where would you prefer the cash went?
Stam is currently contracted until July 2019, that's 1 1/2 years of the contract to pay out, which could easily amount to £3million, which is £3million less we can spend on a striker we so desperately need.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Woodcote Royal » 31 Dec 2017 16:43

Whatever the settlement figure, it won't be the full term of the contract but even £3m would be cheap compared to what we paid for Aluko

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by From Despair To Where? » 31 Dec 2017 17:12

If we're going to sack him, do it now whilst Warburaton is available

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by royalp-we » 31 Dec 2017 17:16

Woodcote Royal wrote:Whatever the settlement figure, it won't be the full term of the contract but even £3m would be cheap compared to what we paid for Aluko


That's about equal to what we paid upfront for Aluko :|


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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Hound » 31 Dec 2017 17:28

From Despair To Where? wrote:If we're going to sack him, do it now whilst Warburaton is available


Out of boredom just scanned the forest media

Warburton sounds very similar in style to Stam. Same level of whingeing about playing out from the back etc. It certainly wouldn’t be a big change him coming in

Still would mean a change without a big upheaval of players etc

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by genome » 31 Dec 2017 17:30

Hound wrote:
From Despair To Where? wrote:If we're going to sack him, do it now whilst Warburaton is available


Out of boredom just scanned the forest media

Warburton sounds very similar in style to Stam. Same level of whingeing about playing out from the back etc. It certainly wouldn’t be a big change him coming in

Still would mean a change without a big upheaval of players etc


To get him here, I'd imagine we'd need to offer him some serious dough.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Pepe the Horseman » 31 Dec 2017 17:34

genome wrote:
Hound wrote:
From Despair To Where? wrote:If we're going to sack him, do it now whilst Warburaton is available


Out of boredom just scanned the forest media

Warburton sounds very similar in style to Stam. Same level of whingeing about playing out from the back etc. It certainly wouldn’t be a big change him coming in

Still would mean a change without a big upheaval of players etc


To get him here, I'd imagine we'd need to offer him some serious dough.

Yeast gods. Not this again.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by rfc58 » 31 Dec 2017 17:55

I’d rather Stam than Warburton every day of the week. The for mentioned Warburton is loathed at both Rangers and Forest, there were no cries or split decisions on whether he should have been sacked or remained.

He is not the answer, he’s just in the news right now as he is available, for the second time inside a year.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by From Despair To Where? » 31 Dec 2017 22:22

I'd still rather give Stam time but as is the way, there's hardly a surfeit of outstanding candidates available at the moment.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Platypuss » 31 Dec 2017 22:40

Bristol City fans wanted Johnson's head on a pike this time last season.
Luckily for them, their chairman isn't as much of a pussy as their fans.

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Re: In or Out? New poll.

by Lower West » 31 Dec 2017 22:52

rfc58 wrote:I’d rather Stam than Warburton every day of the week. The for mentioned Warburton is loathed at both Rangers and Forest, there were no cries or split decisions on whether he should have been sacked or remained.

He is not the answer, he’s just in the news right now as he is available, for the second time inside a year.


Owners panicking. Just like the Thai's at Reading. Suddenly realise that a football ckub is a bottomless moneypit..........

No interest in developing homegrown talent either. Results is all that matters.

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