by Hound » 31 Dec 2017 12:17
by leon » 31 Dec 2017 13:08
by Denver Royal » 31 Dec 2017 13:08
Snowflake RoyalHoop BlahHound Gary Monk has just failed at 2 champ clubs
I think dull and boring is pretty subjective. When we play well, we are good to watch - ie Derby, Wolves, forest, Villa. Problem is these performances are few and far between
To be honest, play any system badly and it’s shit to watch. Would rather see us try to play football than the hoof ball dross served up by the likes of Cardiff
I agree that playing any system badly is bad to watch but the way Stam is wanting us to play is bad to watch when we play it well! He isn't trying to have us play on the front foot and attack teams, there's hardly been a sniff of that from the team and nothing from him to suggest that he wants them to play at a higher tempo or with a little more attacking verve.
As for Monk, he didn't fail at Leeds, he walked out on them whilst they were looking to hand him a new deal. To do what he did there, at a basket case of a club, was a success in my opinion. He won nearly half his games and just missed out on the play offs and played some pretty good stuff from what I remember.
At 'Boro he was doing ok too, winning half his games again and being pretty well positioned. I'm not really sure what went on there apart from 'Boro perhaps having some unrealistic expectations. He did pretty well at Swansea too IMO.
Fair points. My only argument for not sacking Stam is that we're going through managers too quickly, and you should allow the man in charge to fail once as long as it doesn't set the club back too far - e.g. no relegation.
IObviously the ideal is that we get in a new manager who plays exciting successful football and we return to the glory days of Coppell / McGhee / Pardew etc. (I don't say McDermott because I really didn't enjoy his style of play - only the results it brought). But how likely is that exactly? It didn't work with Rodgers, Adkins, Clarke and apparently now Stam. Changing the manager is expensive and it appears rarely actually achieves anything. So if we've given someone a three year plan, lets see it out.
by leon » 31 Dec 2017 13:11
Denver RoyalSnowflake RoyalHoop Blah
I agree that playing any system badly is bad to watch but the way Stam is wanting us to play is bad to watch when we play it well! He isn't trying to have us play on the front foot and attack teams, there's hardly been a sniff of that from the team and nothing from him to suggest that he wants them to play at a higher tempo or with a little more attacking verve.
As for Monk, he didn't fail at Leeds, he walked out on them whilst they were looking to hand him a new deal. To do what he did there, at a basket case of a club, was a success in my opinion. He won nearly half his games and just missed out on the play offs and played some pretty good stuff from what I remember.
At 'Boro he was doing ok too, winning half his games again and being pretty well positioned. I'm not really sure what went on there apart from 'Boro perhaps having some unrealistic expectations. He did pretty well at Swansea too IMO.
Fair points. My only argument for not sacking Stam is that we're going through managers too quickly, and you should allow the man in charge to fail once as long as it doesn't set the club back too far - e.g. no relegation.
IObviously the ideal is that we get in a new manager who plays exciting successful football and we return to the glory days of Coppell / McGhee / Pardew etc. (I don't say McDermott because I really didn't enjoy his style of play - only the results it brought). But how likely is that exactly? It didn't work with Rodgers, Adkins, Clarke and apparently now Stam. Changing the manager is expensive and it appears rarely actually achieves anything. So if we've given someone a three year plan, lets see it out.
Anyone think Adkins may do ok at Hull? He seems to still be respected in the game. Well, outside of the MAdStad anyway:)
by Dr_Hfuhruhurr » 31 Dec 2017 13:15
leon
Not sure they go mad for the fake tan and Armani suit combo up there.
by Snowflake Royal » 31 Dec 2017 13:15
by leon » 31 Dec 2017 13:16
Dr_Hfuhruhurrleon
Not sure they go mad for the fake tan and Armani suit combo up there.
by Woodcote Royal » 31 Dec 2017 13:33
by biff » 31 Dec 2017 14:24
by ImJappy » 31 Dec 2017 14:29
by Woodcote Royal » 31 Dec 2017 15:43
by From Despair To Where? » 31 Dec 2017 16:12
by royalp-we » 31 Dec 2017 16:16
Woodcote Royal Whatever the settlement figure, it won't be the full term of the contract but even £3m would be cheap compared to what we paid for Aluko
by Hound » 31 Dec 2017 16:28
From Despair To Where? If we're going to sack him, do it now whilst Warburaton is available
by genome » 31 Dec 2017 16:30
HoundFrom Despair To Where? If we're going to sack him, do it now whilst Warburaton is available
Out of boredom just scanned the forest media
Warburton sounds very similar in style to Stam. Same level of whingeing about playing out from the back etc. It certainly wouldn’t be a big change him coming in
Still would mean a change without a big upheaval of players etc
by Pepe the Horseman » 31 Dec 2017 16:34
genomeHoundFrom Despair To Where? If we're going to sack him, do it now whilst Warburaton is available
Out of boredom just scanned the forest media
Warburton sounds very similar in style to Stam. Same level of whingeing about playing out from the back etc. It certainly wouldn’t be a big change him coming in
Still would mean a change without a big upheaval of players etc
To get him here, I'd imagine we'd need to offer him some serious dough.
by rfc58 » 31 Dec 2017 16:55
by From Despair To Where? » 31 Dec 2017 21:22
by Platypuss » 31 Dec 2017 21:40
by Lower West » 31 Dec 2017 21:52
rfc58 I’d rather Stam than Warburton every day of the week. The for mentioned Warburton is loathed at both Rangers and Forest, there were no cries or split decisions on whether he should have been sacked or remained.
He is not the answer, he’s just in the news right now as he is available, for the second time inside a year.
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