by CountryRoyal » 12 Feb 2018 07:50
by Stranded » 12 Feb 2018 08:18
by Hound » 12 Feb 2018 09:58
by rfc58 » 12 Feb 2018 10:09
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That's technically not true, it's still well within our hands. Whether or not we have it in us to avoid a situation where we rely on other teams is subjective and tbf speculative.
Of course it’s still in our hands, but we are not making a good job of it, my comments are based on how things are playing out right now. All the teams have it in their own hands still, my point being, do I see JS having it in him, to change our fortunes, unfortunately I don’t.
Are we handling it poorly? Despite all the doom and gloom and calls of "We're already down", 4pts is the closest we have been to the relegation zone bar the very start of the season and we have a far better goal difference than every else near the bottom bar Hull. We now have over a week to prepare for an away game to a Forest side slipping fast and have lost 5 consecutive games at home.
by CountryRoyal » 12 Feb 2018 10:17
rfc58tidus_mi2rfc58 Of course it’s still in our hands, but we are not making a good job of it, my comments are based on how things are playing out right now. All the teams have it in their own hands still, my point being, do I see JS having it in him, to change our fortunes, unfortunately I don’t.
Are we handling it poorly? Despite all the doom and gloom and calls of "We're already down", 4pts is the closest we have been to the relegation zone bar the very start of the season and we have a far better goal difference than every else near the bottom bar Hull. We now have over a week to prepare for an away game to a Forest side slipping fast and have lost 5 consecutive games at home.
I guess we see it very differently, and I’m not saying either opinion is right. Use Swansea in the PL, they seem to have found a belief some somewhere. I don’t see us looking at previous games and performances and thinking “this winless run, and style of play isn’t working, we need to adopt a different approach.”. If we were picking up points, I’d say we were influencing our destiny, but the volume of losses, the performances to accompany these losses is the worrying part. The losing part isn’t the bit that bothers me, winning and losing is part of sport, but the lack of belief is the most concerning. After each game, sadly I don’t see any positives to take and build on, the players look beaten, and the buck stops with the management team to find a way of making the, feel they can win the next game.
by John Smith » 12 Feb 2018 10:51
Snowball Can I just remind people, that even if we were top-two,
going away to Boro and losing 2-1 is NOT terrible
and does not justify a melt-down.
They are a very decent side, four points off the play-offs,
spent shed-loads, have a very good manager and some
excellent players
by Eaststandman » 12 Feb 2018 11:32
by Snowflake Royal » 12 Feb 2018 12:31
strapSnowflake Royal If you sack a manager every time they fail, you will never benefit from them learning from their mistakes.
Stam has shown quality last season and been poor this season. We're far from certain of relegation and he is likely learning a lot right now. Once the season ends and he can reset and take the chance to start fresh, things could easily be very different next year.
How about a little less doom-mongering and hand wringing and a little more positive attitude about staying up.
You could have three pitch invasions a game and everyone waving pants and placards and there's no guarantee the club would sack Stam. And I still think if the next result or two is poor he'll be sacked regardless of whatyou melts do - of course I could be wrong.
At the very least, could we not have a dozen new whiny threads calling for change / protests / conspiracies after every defeat? Try using one that exists. Or better still, don't whine about it on here. Do something at a game. And if you don't get support, stfu.
Sorry Snowflake I can't agree with your second paragraph. The football we were playing last year was little better than the dross we are seeing this. We made less stupid mistakes in our own half to be sure, and we had Kermorgant belatedly knocking in a few goals, but time and again in my conversations with wrinkly RFC supporters we to a man were saying how luck y we were and how on earth could a team playing this badly be so high up the league. I think the Play-off final was the true RFC of last season - bereft of ideas and scared to make a mistake. That has been the over-riding theme this season too.
Quite what you expect us to do in your third paragraph is also puzzling me. Stam has been given plenty of time to turn things around, and all he does is blame the players, the previous management, the previous owners, the fans ... and never accepts that he is actually the major part of the problem with his arrogance and inability to adopt a Plan B when his beloved Plan A "non-football" fails yet again.
Now Stam's latest wheeze is to tell the fans that he turned down the Leeds job in the summer in the hope this will somehow ingratiate him in the eyes of the fans. The fact of the matter is he was never ever offered the job! During initial discussions he had with the Leeds' owners he asked for £3M a year and they promptly told him "thanks but no thanks". He was never offered the position so how on earth could he have turned it down? The man is a "stranger to the truth" now as well as being "a stranger to reality".
Not having a go at your opinions, just trying to understand how you can hold them in the face of so much evidence to the contrary. Have a good rest of the w/e.
by Snowflake Royal » 12 Feb 2018 12:39
rfc58tidus_mi2rfc58 Of course it’s still in our hands, but we are not making a good job of it, my comments are based on how things are playing out right now. All the teams have it in their own hands still, my point being, do I see JS having it in him, to change our fortunes, unfortunately I don’t.
Are we handling it poorly? Despite all the doom and gloom and calls of "We're already down", 4pts is the closest we have been to the relegation zone bar the very start of the season and we have a far better goal difference than every else near the bottom bar Hull. We now have over a week to prepare for an away game to a Forest side slipping fast and have lost 5 consecutive games at home.
I guess we see it very differently, and I’m not saying either opinion is right. Use Swansea in the PL, they seem to have found a belief some somewhere. I don’t see us looking at previous games and performances and thinking “this winless run, and style of play isn’t working, we need to adopt a different approach.”. If we were picking up points, I’d say we were influencing our destiny, but the volume of losses, the performances to accompany these losses is the worrying part. The losing part isn’t the bit that bothers me, winning and losing is part of sport, but the lack of belief is the most concerning. After each game, sadly I don’t see any positives to take and build on, the players look beaten, and the buck stops with the management team to find a way of making the, feel they can win the next game.
by Victor Meldrew » 12 Feb 2018 13:54
John SmithSnowball Can I just remind people, that even if we were top-two,
going away to Boro and losing 2-1 is NOT terrible
and does not justify a melt-down.
They are a very decent side, four points off the play-offs,
spent shed-loads, have a very good manager and some
excellent players
Spot on.
by John Smith » 12 Feb 2018 14:06
Victor MeldrewJohn SmithSnowball Can I just remind people, that even if we were top-two,
going away to Boro and losing 2-1 is NOT terrible
and does not justify a melt-down.
They are a very decent side, four points off the play-offs,
spent shed-loads, have a very good manager and some
excellent players
Spot on.
I don't think people are saying that losing 2-1 away at 'Boro is a dreadful result.
It does however follow dreadful results at home to Birmingham and Burton,both bottom 3 clubs at the time, so we have put ourselves in a dreadful position by just keeping on losing.
Didn't you say a few weeks ago that we were nailed on for a top 10 finish and might even make the play-offs?
Stam has brought in a lot of players-how bad must they be (and the judgement of himself and Brian and/or Ron)for our supposedly not lucky team to now be in 18th rather than in 3rd and pushing for the top 2?
Somebody is accountable and it is certainly not the fans who Stam continues to blame.
by Victor Meldrew » 12 Feb 2018 14:26
John SmithVictor MeldrewJohn Smith Spot on.
I don't think people are saying that losing 2-1 away at 'Boro is a dreadful result.
It does however follow dreadful results at home to Birmingham and Burton,both bottom 3 clubs at the time, so we have put ourselves in a dreadful position by just keeping on losing.
Didn't you say a few weeks ago that we were nailed on for a top 10 finish and might even make the play-offs?
Stam has brought in a lot of players-how bad must they be (and the judgement of himself and Brian and/or Ron)for our supposedly not lucky team to now be in 18th rather than in 3rd and pushing for the top 2?
Somebody is accountable and it is certainly not the fans who Stam continues to blame.
I certainly did not say or think that. I said (and continue to maintain) that we are a lower mid-table side and that' where we will finish.
Maybe 'we did a Leicester' last year? The competition is a lot better than last year with the likes of Villa, Derby, Fulham all strengthening. We just didn't get a striker in, that's all.
by rfc58 » 12 Feb 2018 14:43
Snowflake Royalrfc58tidus_mi2 Are we handling it poorly? Despite all the doom and gloom and calls of "We're already down", 4pts is the closest we have been to the relegation zone bar the very start of the season and we have a far better goal difference than every else near the bottom bar Hull. We now have over a week to prepare for an away game to a Forest side slipping fast and have lost 5 consecutive games at home.
I guess we see it very differently, and I’m not saying either opinion is right. Use Swansea in the PL, they seem to have found a belief some somewhere. I don’t see us looking at previous games and performances and thinking “this winless run, and style of play isn’t working, we need to adopt a different approach.”. If we were picking up points, I’d say we were influencing our destiny, but the volume of losses, the performances to accompany these losses is the worrying part. The losing part isn’t the bit that bothers me, winning and losing is part of sport, but the lack of belief is the most concerning. After each game, sadly I don’t see any positives to take and build on, the players look beaten, and the buck stops with the management team to find a way of making the, feel they can win the next game.
Weren't Swansea in the bottom three most of the season? Not a good comparison seeing as we've rarely been below 3 places clear of relegation. I mean they had literally nothing to lose by rolling the dice. We could drop further if it goes wrong. And then we're lumbered with a manager who failed to save us from when we were clear of the drop. Fabulous.
by Snowflake Royal » 12 Feb 2018 17:51
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I guess we see it very differently, and I’m not saying either opinion is right. Use Swansea in the PL, they seem to have found a belief some somewhere. I don’t see us looking at previous games and performances and thinking “this winless run, and style of play isn’t working, we need to adopt a different approach.”. If we were picking up points, I’d say we were influencing our destiny, but the volume of losses, the performances to accompany these losses is the worrying part. The losing part isn’t the bit that bothers me, winning and losing is part of sport, but the lack of belief is the most concerning. After each game, sadly I don’t see any positives to take and build on, the players look beaten, and the buck stops with the management team to find a way of making the, feel they can win the next game.
Weren't Swansea in the bottom three most of the season? Not a good comparison seeing as we've rarely been below 3 places clear of relegation. I mean they had literally nothing to lose by rolling the dice. We could drop further if it goes wrong. And then we're lumbered with a manager who failed to save us from when we were clear of the drop. Fabulous.
I think the example I make is that a team is in the shit, Swansea, and with new ideas, and believe instilled into them, they are showing fight, and results are going their way. Until you are actually relegated, you have hope, so I don’t see our current plight being so much better than where Swansea were, we might be in a better position, but it’s still a very precarious one. My biggest concern is games are running out, and there are no signs of improvement, regardless of the quality we face, Boro away was a tough ne, but Burton at home, Millwall at home, even Boro at home, not exactly top opposition away from their own place.
by leon » 12 Feb 2018 19:37
Denver Royalleon We should be Top 10 pushing play offs.
Well, we were last season. All season. In his rookie season. And we came from nowhere. Yet others are trying to marginalize it by saying we were lucky. (Heh, they are making my next point for me...)
'We should possibly be pushing automatic'?
Wow, really? Based on what exactly? Our history? If you are expecting that every season you will always be moaning. Look what other teams have spent and their budgets. Wolves and Villa are currently top 2, so start there. Check out what Boro have spent. Which manager out there will get us Top 3 in his first season here (even in his rookie season (Gilkes?)), and get us promoted? Whoever it is, we might be a bottom half team (again) so at least we will have a base line.
by Hoop Blah » 12 Feb 2018 19:55
Denver Royal Yet, we were 'lucky' to be Top 3 last season? You subscribe to that, right? In the Champ right now?
Just for the record, where do you honestly think this club should finish consistently in the Champ? At this time, and at this level? I'm going to assign you some credit, and assume you are are a knowledgeable footy man.
Forget managers, just for one second. We were Top 3 last season, mostly all season, and lost on pens by one kick in the final.
Where should we be next season? This club, and this size, at this time. Your expectations are...what exactly? I'm not so much talking 'entertaining footy', I'm talking league position. Your answers on a postcard, please.
(Everyone has analysed this league currently, at some length, and the teams in it, and their moves, etc, right?)
by Royal Rother » 12 Feb 2018 20:49
Hound apparently the squad are off to Spain for a bit of warm weather training
by Denver Royal » 12 Feb 2018 21:25
Hoop Blah Where should this club be? I'd suggest we should be comfortably in the top 10 of an typical strength Championship.
You disregard the element of entertainment, but that is a massive part of what we as fans want from our team.
by FiNeRaIn » 12 Feb 2018 22:53
by Denver Royal » 13 Feb 2018 03:35
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