The alternative course of action now...

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Re: The alternative course of action now...

by Old Man Andrews » 14 Feb 2018 21:25

Denver Royal wrote:
Victor Meldrew wrote:...moans from players and managers about a few (and it is only a few) booing


You are one of the few that I've actually seen differentiate between 'the fans' and 'only a few'. One might conclude then, that Stam's comments have not been directed at 'the fans' in general, but rather only a few. (A distinction that seems lost on some, or at least one they like, and choose, to ignore in their narratives.)


This isn't a criticism of you personally because you are perfectly entitled to your opinion but can Jaap Stam do anything wrong in your eyes?

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Re: The alternative course of action now...

by Denver Royal » 14 Feb 2018 22:10

SCIAG wrote:It's hard to accuse any of our players of less than maximum effort.


SCIAG, that's a good point mate. The various coaches will have a pretty good idea in training and in games of who is trying, and to what extent.

Obviously we are just fans, but in watching a game its crossed my mind that Aluko maybe wasn't giving 100% (and he was duly subbed off), but then I thought about it afterward and I thought maybe he was trying, but just not playing well and/or was low in confidence.

I thought last season the players were giving maximum effort. I think many have said as much, and cited it as one of the reasons for our success.

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Re: The alternative course of action now...

by Victor Meldrew » 15 Feb 2018 12:11

Denver Royal wrote:
SCIAG wrote:It's hard to accuse any of our players of less than maximum effort.


SCIAG, that's a good point mate. The various coaches will have a pretty good idea in training and in games of who is trying, and to what extent.

Obviously we are just fans, but in watching a game its crossed my mind that Aluko maybe wasn't giving 100% (and he was duly subbed off), but then I thought about it afterward and I thought maybe he was trying, but just not playing well and/or was low in confidence.

I thought last season the players were giving maximum effort. I think many have said as much, and cited it as one of the reasons for our success.


I think it is much more about focus than physical effort although in Joey's case not only does he lose focus but also doesn't possess the speed needed for a covering midfielder, e.g. the vain and heavy-legged attempt to keep up with Traore for the second goal last week.
I know I have mentioned it before but it strikes me that within this team so few take personal responsibility and are happy to leave problems for others to deal with.
Gunter, Blackett and Joey all come in this bracket, often leaving Moore to take action that they should probably be doing.

This season, and particularly of late, the ever reliable Moore seems less so and at times must feel like tearing his hair out and thinking "Am I the only one here who knows how or wants to defend?"
The manager must surely see this as a former defender who was prepared to take responsibility but he seems unable to convey this to our poor defenders.

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Re: The alternative course of action now...

by Hoop Blah » 16 Feb 2018 15:36

My view is that it's not about physical effort, and I think it's very very rare for a player to not be trying and not be putting in the proverbial 110%.

It's a lot more about the physical and mental bravery to perform or do the things that they need to do to be more effective (especially within the structure and environment Stam has created).

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Re: The alternative course of action now...

by SCIAG » 16 Feb 2018 17:17

Hoop Blah wrote:It's a lot more about the physical and mental bravery to perform or do the things that they need to do to be more effective (especially within the structure and environment Stam has created).

Do you mean things like quick first-time forward passes, through balls, quickly switching play, picking out the man making the run, going past people in midfield, etc.?


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Re: The alternative course of action now...

by Hoop Blah » 16 Feb 2018 17:21

SCIAG wrote:
Hoop Blah wrote:It's a lot more about the physical and mental bravery to perform or do the things that they need to do to be more effective (especially within the structure and environment Stam has created).

Do you mean things like quick first-time forward passes, through balls, quickly switching play, picking out the man making the run, going past people in midfield, etc.?


Exactly. Being brave isn't all about running into tackles it's about taking the ball under pressure, doing things that involve a little bit of risk (at the right times) and all things you mention.

Players don't not try (generally), but sometimes they might not be brave enough, or have the confidence to do the right things, and that's when they lose form or look like they're not trying.

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Re: The alternative course of action now...

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Feb 2018 18:22

Hoop Blah wrote:
SCIAG wrote:
Hoop Blah wrote:It's a lot more about the physical and mental bravery to perform or do the things that they need to do to be more effective (especially within the structure and environment Stam has created).

Do you mean things like quick first-time forward passes, through balls, quickly switching play, picking out the man making the run, going past people in midfield, etc.?


Exactly. Being brave isn't all about running into tackles it's about taking the ball under pressure, doing things that involve a little bit of risk (at the right times) and all things you mention.

Players don't not try (generally), but sometimes they might not be brave enough, or have the confidence to do the right things, and that's when they lose form or look like they're not trying.

And anyone who has played at any level surely knows that if you're having a bad game it can get in your head, you try too hard and oxf*rd it up worse, or just give up and rely solely on effort.

I think consistently crossing the white line happy, relaxed and confident in yourself and your teammates can often mean the difference between finishing top 10 and finishing bottom 10.

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