Clement

[Old Man Andrews]

The silence from McShane is deafening. The guy used to be full of beans on social media etc, completely went off the radar post Blackburn. Strange situation.

[Old Man Andrews]

McShane and O'Shea are both much of a muchness, and neither a satisfactory upgrade on Ilori really. It's just style and, in O'Shea's case, perhaps the impact he can have on those around him.

Really hope someone has the balls to press Clement on McShane. He clearly wasn't injured, McShane was being punished for something in my opinion. Maybe something happened in the aftermath of the Blackburn game?

Something happened when he was at Hull I recall..

Yep, you're spot on.

I think behind his happy go lucky exteria McShane is a bit of a prick to work with.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30588227

[muirinho]

Really hope someone has the balls to press Clement on McShane. He clearly wasn't injured, McShane was being punished for something in my opinion. Maybe something happened in the aftermath of the Blackburn game?

Something happened when he was at Hull I recall..

Yep, you're spot on.

I think behind his happy go lucky exteria McShane is a bit of a prick to work with.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30588227

That row with Bruce was because he tweeted about his lack of game time, and got chucked into U21s till he apologised. Then, instead of apologising, he started liking and retweeting other tweets about his exclusion from the squad!

Maybe this time, somebody has taken away his phone, so he doesn't do the same again.

I can't remember where it was, but I'm sure I saw an interview with him once where he said he'd never really trusted any manager he'd worked with.

So, I agree, not the easiest.

[Sutekh]

Clement said on Saturday that McShane is now fit again and had been involved in the general matchday squad v City. He was also joining in the warm downs after the game.

Don't think I'd be surprised if he was at least on the bench v the Tractors on Saturday.

[Snowflake Royal]

Don't think it's any surprise that an aging club captain in a struggling side who gives away two of the worst late penalties you'll see to lose two desperately needed points gets binned for a while.

I don't know about Clement but I'd be going full on Fergie at him.

On Ilori, I think he's good enough and persisting with him at CB longer term will pay off. But for our current predicament he's a bit too similar to Moore in that they're both quite cultured and comfortable on the ball, rather than a big physical bruisers. And I think we benefit from an older head and more physical player in there, if we could just stop the nerves and panicking, and solidify midfield a bit more, Ilori would be great.

Sadly, I have to hold my hands up. I though McShane would really come good again without Stam's bullshit style that didn't suit him at all. But he really is massively in decline. Which is a shame, because a Stam year one McShane is exactly what we need right now. O'Shea's ok but just a bit too slow and old.

[Hound]

Agreed on McShane. Really liked him in his first season here and also in Stam’s year one

Really been poor since. Be a good signing for someone like Charlton though

[Zip]

Clement said on Saturday that McShane is now fit again and had been involved in the general matchday squad v City. He was also joining in the warm downs after the game.

Don't think I'd be surprised if he was at least on the bench v the Tractors on Saturday.

The problem is we have no idea if he was really ever injured. The Blackburn game was a disaster for McShane. I would be surprised if he played again for the club and as Hound suggests he will be one of many to be shipped out in January

[Snowflake Royal]

Yep, can't see him staying on.

How long is O'Shea's contract? We could really do with someone in his and McShane's style who isn't either really old and slow or in total decline. Moore, Ilori and A N Other like that, plus back up in Blackett, Holmes et al would do nicely.

[maffff]

Yep, can't see him staying on.

How long is O'Shea's contract? We could really do with someone in his and McShane's style who isn't either really old and slow or in total decline. Moore, Ilori and A N Other like that, plus back up in Blackett, Holmes et al would do nicely.

End of the season. Be interesting to see if we incorporate Andrésson post loan, he's done well. Played up top a couple of times too!

[Kulshaw72RFC]

I would like to see us try a 352 with wingbacks, hopefully when/if Obita ever comes back and Yiadom, with Ilorri and 2 other new signings.

[Snowflake Royal]

I would like to see us try a 352 with wingbacks, hopefully when/if Obita ever comes back and Yiadom, with Ilorri and 2 other new signings.

Can you flesh this out a bit? Are you saying you'd drop Moore? Who would be upfront? In midfield? Would you fit Barrow in and if so where? Are these new signings centrebacks or other positions?

[Kulshaw72RFC]

I would like to see us try a 352 with wingbacks, hopefully when/if Obita ever comes back and Yiadom, with Ilorri and 2 other new signings.

Can you flesh this out a bit? Are you saying you'd drop Moore? Who would be upfront? In midfield? Would you fit Barrow in and if so where? Are these new signings centrebacks or other positions?

So..... I am talking about next season or after Jan. I hope* Clement has found a solution which means we could start winning.

I think Moore might go in the summer or Jan. If not I would have Moore, Illori and Blackett (or a.n.other) as the 3 CBs. We could do with signing a few moore as O'Shea and McShane are not worth the time, money or hassle.

If we are talking currently I would go with

Walker

Yiadom (rwb), Ilori, Moore, Blackett, Obita (lwb)

Swift, Bacuna (holding), Eza

Meite/ Barrow Bod/Baldock

[Old Man Andrews]

No room for big Chrissy Gunter?

[Kulshaw72RFC]

No room for big Chrissy Gunter?

If Obita does not come back then I suppose.

[muirinho]

No room for big Chrissy Gunter?

If Obita does not come back then I suppose.

He may decide himself he doesn't want to be bench fodder. Would be a pity though, he's useful because he's always match fit, regardless of when he last played, and he can cover across the defence.

Given our injury issues, a player that's always available is definitely worth having.

[Kulshaw72RFC]

No room for big Chrissy Gunter?

If Obita does not come back then I suppose.

He may decide himself he doesn't want to be bench fodder. Would be a pity though, he's useful because he's always match fit, regardless of when he last played, and he can cover across the defence.

Given our injury issues, a player that's always available is definitely worth having.

He could probably do a Rooney and make a bang tidy living being the best RB in the MLS.

[Old Man Andrews]

If Obita does not come back then I suppose.

He may decide himself he doesn't want to be bench fodder. Would be a pity though, he's useful because he's always match fit, regardless of when he last played, and he can cover across the defence.

Given our injury issues, a player that's always available is definitely worth having.

He could probably do a Rooney and make a bang tidy living being the best RB in the MLS.

Yeah something like that would be a great move for him, less physical too which will help cover his weaknesses. I think I am right in saying he has no kids or wife either so nothing really tying him to staying here. I think I am right in saying he is an "eligable bachelor" anyway which is very widely accepted in the MLS and I believe there are a couple of open "eligable bachelors" already playing in the league.

[Kulshaw72RFC]

He may decide himself he doesn't want to be bench fodder. Would be a pity though, he's useful because he's always match fit, regardless of when he last played, and he can cover across the defence.

Given our injury issues, a player that's always available is definitely worth having.

He could probably do a Rooney and make a bang tidy living being the best RB in the MLS.

Yeah something like that would be a great move for him, less physical too which will help cover his weaknesses. I think I am right in saying he has no kids or wife either so nothing really tying him to staying here. I think I am right in saying he is an "eligable bachelor" anyway which is very widely accepted in the MLS and I believe there are a couple of open "eligable bachelors" already playing in the league.

I think you are right that there are some "eligible bachelors" in the MLS. However it is not a widely known and published thing, as in this country there are not many professional sportsmen who are "eligible bachelors" that have let the sporting world know, for fear of those thugs and thickos who support Leeds and Millwall.

[Hound]

Not sure what you are trying to suggest there OMA

[Old Man Andrews]

He could probably do a Rooney and make a bang tidy living being the best RB in the MLS.

Yeah something like that would be a great move for him, less physical too which will help cover his weaknesses. I think I am right in saying he has no kids or wife either so nothing really tying him to staying here. I think I am right in saying he is an "eligable bachelor" anyway which is very widely accepted in the MLS and I believe there are a couple of open "eligable bachelors" already playing in the league.

I think you are right that there are some "eligible bachelors" in the MLS. However it is not a widely known and published thing, as in this country there are not many professional sportsmen who are "eligible bachelors" that have let the sporting world know, for fear of those thugs and thickos who support Leeds and Millwall.

I think it is deeply sad they feel it has to be hidden, majority of football fans over here would be fully supportive. You're right though, they'd be abuse from some mindless thickos but if you punish it with banning orders and heavy fines I think you'd soon put a stop to the serious offences.