by maffff » 24 Sep 2018 23:27
NewCorkSethHound again Citeh would just chuck Phil Foden on the bench
Or Brahim Diaz for those who think only English youth would benefit.
by NewCorkSeth » 25 Sep 2018 06:41
maffff In mid August after the success of the World Cup there was stuff going around that the EFL are/were considering proposals for matchday 18s to have a minimum of 14 home grown players and 7 club developed in the 18 by 2023. 5 years to phase in if approved - would be looking for EPL to go alongside too though.
That would be incredible. Yes please.
NewCorkSethmaffff In mid August after the success of the World Cup there was stuff going around that the EFL are/were considering proposals for matchday 18s to have a minimum of 14 home grown players and 7 club developed in the 18 by 2023. 5 years to phase in if approved - would be looking for EPL to go alongside too though.
That would be incredible. Yes please.
Why would it be incredible?
by Nameless » 25 Sep 2018 09:06
NewCorkSethNameless I don’t think this would be a problem for us at all.
We could name any one of 4 home grown centre backs on the bench without a problem. We’ve got several keepers who would be ok as reserve keeper. Loader currently and Novacovic next season qualify as would Smith. Obita and Richards when fit plus Watson when back from loan. Other than Obita and Richards (plus Kelly) not sure many of these are ready to start 20+ games a season this year but you would hope some would start featuring in match squads soon and be challenging for the starting line up from next season. I certainly think when Moore leaves we should be replacing him from within the club.
I know just the guy too. He's 6ft6, left footed, has scored a decent amount of goals despite being young.
Jake Coop.. oh..
by Hound » 25 Sep 2018 09:16
by NewCorkSeth » 25 Sep 2018 09:32
NamelessNewCorkSethNameless I don’t think this would be a problem for us at all.
We could name any one of 4 home grown centre backs on the bench without a problem. We’ve got several keepers who would be ok as reserve keeper. Loader currently and Novacovic next season qualify as would Smith. Obita and Richards when fit plus Watson when back from loan. Other than Obita and Richards (plus Kelly) not sure many of these are ready to start 20+ games a season this year but you would hope some would start featuring in match squads soon and be challenging for the starting line up from next season. I certainly think when Moore leaves we should be replacing him from within the club.
I know just the guy too. He's 6ft6, left footed, has scored a decent amount of goals despite being young.
Jake Coop.. oh..
Luckily I think most of the young centrebacks we have coming through will turn out to be better than Cooper. Not as tall maybe but without the tendency to throw in a big error each game. Osho and McIntyre in particular are way better footballers than Cooper at this stage.
by Kingsley Junior » 25 Sep 2018 10:38
NewCorkSethJohn Smith If only this rule were enforced in the Prem
It wouldn't change anything?
Arsenal - Bellerin
Chelsea - Loftus-Cheek
Liverpool - Alexander-Arnold
Man City - You got me there..
Man Utd - Pogba
Tottenham - Kane
Unless I misunderstood this entirely.
Is there a team in the premier league without an academy player in the first team right now?
Kingsley JuniorNewCorkSethJohn Smith If only this rule were enforced in the Prem
It wouldn't change anything?
Arsenal - Bellerin
Chelsea - Loftus-Cheek
Liverpool - Alexander-Arnold
Man City - You got me there..
Man Utd - Pogba
Tottenham - Kane
Unless I misunderstood this entirely.
Is there a team in the premier league without an academy player in the first team right now?
Just a vaguely interesting aside, apparently Man United have had at least one academy grown player in every single match day squad in all competitions since 1937. No idea how other teams stack up.
by Ascotexgunner » 25 Sep 2018 10:57
NamelessNewCorkSethNameless I don’t think this would be a problem for us at all.
We could name any one of 4 home grown centre backs on the bench without a problem. We’ve got several keepers who would be ok as reserve keeper. Loader currently and Novacovic next season qualify as would Smith. Obita and Richards when fit plus Watson when back from loan. Other than Obita and Richards (plus Kelly) not sure many of these are ready to start 20+ games a season this year but you would hope some would start featuring in match squads soon and be challenging for the starting line up from next season. I certainly think when Moore leaves we should be replacing him from within the club.
I know just the guy too. He's 6ft6, left footed, has scored a decent amount of goals despite being young.
Jake Coop.. oh..
Luckily I think most of the young centrebacks we have coming through will turn out to be better than Cooper. Not as tall maybe but without the tendency to throw in a big error each game. Osho and McIntyre in particular are way better footballers than Cooper at this stage.
AscotexgunnerNamelessNewCorkSeth I know just the guy too. He's 6ft6, left footed, has scored a decent amount of goals despite being young.
Jake Coop.. oh..
Luckily I think most of the young centrebacks we have coming through will turn out to be better than Cooper. Not as tall maybe but without the tendency to throw in a big error each game. Osho and McIntyre in particular are way better footballers than Cooper at this stage.
TBF Every single player on the planet has one big error per gave in them, whether its a forward missing a sitter, a midfielder losing possession easily or a defender losing his man. Every level you see it. Problem is nowadays everyones a pundit and studies TV angles from every perspective. Defenders get more stick than any other position. You wonder, in say, "The modern" Arsenal, whether the likes of a young Tony Adams would have lasted with the mistakes he made. I think Jake Cooper was never given the chance to prove himself properly with Reading, doing pretty well at Millwall though and Im quite pleased for him. I think Millwall got a bargain.
by Hound » 25 Sep 2018 12:05
by Ascotexgunner » 25 Sep 2018 12:14
Hound problem with Cooper is he just kept making them. They were always absolute shockers as well - poor back passes straight to a forward, falling over - basically goal creating ones
He always looked a talent, but maybe needed a change of scene.
I liked him, but think he would have been a disaster under Stam ball.
by Nameless » 25 Sep 2018 22:07
AscotexgunnerNamelessNewCorkSeth I know just the guy too. He's 6ft6, left footed, has scored a decent amount of goals despite being young.
Jake Coop.. oh..
Luckily I think most of the young centrebacks we have coming through will turn out to be better than Cooper. Not as tall maybe but without the tendency to throw in a big error each game. Osho and McIntyre in particular are way better footballers than Cooper at this stage.
TBF Every single player on the planet has one big error per gave in them, whether its a forward missing a sitter, a midfielder losing possession easily or a defender losing his man. Every level you see it. Problem is nowadays everyones a pundit and studies TV angles from every perspective. Defenders get more stick than any other position. You wonder, in say, "The modern" Arsenal, whether the likes of a young Tony Adams would have lasted with the mistakes he made. I think Jake Cooper was never given the chance to prove himself properly with Reading, doing pretty well at Millwall though and Im quite pleased for him. I think Millwall got a bargain.
by Denver Royal » 26 Sep 2018 00:49
NamelessAscotexgunnerNameless
Luckily I think most of the young centrebacks we have coming through will turn out to be better than Cooper. Not as tall maybe but without the tendency to throw in a big error each game. Osho and McIntyre in particular are way better footballers than Cooper at this stage.
TBF Every single player on the planet has one big error per gave in them, whether its a forward missing a sitter, a midfielder losing possession easily or a defender losing his man. Every level you see it. Problem is nowadays everyones a pundit and studies TV angles from every perspective. Defenders get more stick than any other position. You wonder, in say, "The modern" Arsenal, whether the likes of a young Tony Adams would have lasted with the mistakes he made. I think Jake Cooper was never given the chance to prove himself properly with Reading, doing pretty well at Millwall though and Im quite pleased for him. I think Millwall got a bargain.
Agree on some of that, football is to a large degree about mistakes and I doubt any player has ever played the perfect game. But Cooper consistently did stuff that let him and the team down, bigger errors than Moore, or Ilori , or even Blackett make. Maybe it was youth but you ge judged on what you do. He played 42 games for us so the ‘not given a chance’ bit doesn’t ring true.
The bit about everyone analysing games on TV is absurd. I cannot recall ever seeing Cooper play on TV and I watch hardly any live games on TV, I ‘m just commenting on what I’ve seen at games.
I agree that seeing Cooper make a decent fist of things at Millwall is nice, although he’s only played a few more games than he did for us. I’m pleased for any of our youngsters going on to have decent careers in the game.
by Coppells Lost Coat » 26 Sep 2018 08:59
Denver RoyalNamelessAscotexgunner
TBF Every single player on the planet has one big error per gave in them, whether its a forward missing a sitter, a midfielder losing possession easily or a defender losing his man. Every level you see it. Problem is nowadays everyones a pundit and studies TV angles from every perspective. Defenders get more stick than any other position. You wonder, in say, "The modern" Arsenal, whether the likes of a young Tony Adams would have lasted with the mistakes he made. I think Jake Cooper was never given the chance to prove himself properly with Reading, doing pretty well at Millwall though and Im quite pleased for him. I think Millwall got a bargain.
Agree on some of that, football is to a large degree about mistakes and I doubt any player has ever played the perfect game. But Cooper consistently did stuff that let him and the team down, bigger errors than Moore, or Ilori , or even Blackett make. Maybe it was youth but you ge judged on what you do. He played 42 games for us so the ‘not given a chance’ bit doesn’t ring true.
The bit about everyone analysing games on TV is absurd. I cannot recall ever seeing Cooper play on TV and I watch hardly any live games on TV, I ‘m just commenting on what I’ve seen at games.
I agree that seeing Cooper make a decent fist of things at Millwall is nice, although he’s only played a few more games than he did for us. I’m pleased for any of our youngsters going on to have decent careers in the game.
Yep, think that’s fair. Wanted to like Cooper, and did. Had the height I feel you need at CB in Champ. But there’s no doubt he messed up at times which made decision for club more difficult. And yes, his time at Millwall is being hyped a little.
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