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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by Snowflake Royal » 07 Oct 2018 12:00

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Crikey, Ian. They’ve really done a number on you.


Well it’s October and it seems people have given up. I haven’t yet - get a proper manager in and we’ve a chance.

Clement is shit. He’s taking us down.

I once again return to the point that if four managers in a row have failed, why would a fifth succeed, and what gives you any faith we'd hire anyone better.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by Scutterbucketz » 07 Oct 2018 14:12

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Crikey, Ian. They’ve really done a number on you.


Well it’s October and it seems people have given up. I haven’t yet - get a proper manager in and we’ve a chance.

Clement is shit. He’s taking us down.

I once again return to the point that if four managers in a row have failed, why would a fifth succeed, and what gives you any faith we'd hire anyone better.


Absolute nonsense. That logic is utterly insane, Ian. Just ask Einstein.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by Snowflake Royal » 07 Oct 2018 14:22

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Well it’s October and it seems people have given up. I haven’t yet - get a proper manager in and we’ve a chance.

Clement is shit. He’s taking us down.

I once again return to the point that if four managers in a row have failed, why would a fifth succeed, and what gives you any faith we'd hire anyone better.


Absolute nonsense. That logic is utterly insane, Ian. Just ask Einstein.

If you're alluding to the phrase repeating the same thing and expecting different results, is the definition of madness, which I'm not sure Einstein actually said, that's exactly the point I just made. Why would you expect sacking yet another manager after less than two seasons in charge to have a different effect to the last three times where we've got progressively worse bar one delayed reaction in Stam's first season.

In this case sticking with the manager is changing the pattern, not sacking them.

Presumably you don't think practice and learning is worthwhile. Afterall if you don't get it right the first few times you never will clearly.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by leon » 07 Oct 2018 14:38

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Crikey, Ian. They’ve really done a number on you.


Well it’s October and it seems people have given up. I haven’t yet - get a proper manager in and we’ve a chance.

Clement is shit. He’s taking us down.

I once again return to the point that if four managers in a row have failed, why would a fifth succeed, and what gives you any faith we'd hire anyone better.


I once again return to the point that the failure is down to appointing inexperienced managers.

What we need is experience. There’s actually a few managers out there at the moment.

That said I reckon Gourlay could balls it up again by bringing in John Terry or someone horrific like that.

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by Hound » 07 Oct 2018 15:17

could balls it up?


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by Scutterbucketz » 07 Oct 2018 18:35

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Snowflake Royal I once again return to the point that if four managers in a row have failed, why would a fifth succeed, and what gives you any faith we'd hire anyone better.


Absolute nonsense. That logic is utterly insane, Ian. Just ask Einstein.

If you're alluding to the phrase repeating the same thing and expecting different results, is the definition of madness, which I'm not sure Einstein actually said, that's exactly the point I just made. Why would you expect sacking yet another manager after less than two seasons in charge to have a different effect to the last three times where we've got progressively worse bar one delayed reaction in Stam's first season.

In this case sticking with the manager is changing the pattern, not sacking them.

Presumably you don't think practice and learning is worthwhile. Afterall if you don't get it right the first few times you never will clearly.


I had a feeling you would say that.

In this instance, the action that brings about the most change is removing the manager and all his staff and getting someone else in.

Just because it didn’t work before does not mean it won’t work now.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by Zip » 07 Oct 2018 19:09

Ian, do you believe there isn’t a manager out there that couldn’t do better than Clement? I do share your reservations about Gourlay not making the right appointment though. I just don’t think Clement is learning from his mistakes.

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by Ascotexgunner » 07 Oct 2018 20:37

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Well it’s October and it seems people have given up. I haven’t yet - get a proper manager in and we’ve a chance.

Clement is shit. He’s taking us down.

I once again return to the point that if four managers in a row have failed, why would a fifth succeed, and what gives you any faith we'd hire anyone better.


I once again return to the point that the failure is down to appointing inexperienced managers.

What we need is experience. There’s actually a few managers out there at the moment.

That said I reckon Gourlay could balls it up again by bringing in John Terry or someone horrific like that.


You can just see it can't you. Gourley really is inexperienced at this level and in this position.
He will go for another coach or manager with no EFL experience.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by Snowflake Royal » 07 Oct 2018 21:44

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Absolute nonsense. That logic is utterly insane, Ian. Just ask Einstein.

If you're alluding to the phrase repeating the same thing and expecting different results, is the definition of madness, which I'm not sure Einstein actually said, that's exactly the point I just made. Why would you expect sacking yet another manager after less than two seasons in charge to have a different effect to the last three times where we've got progressively worse bar one delayed reaction in Stam's first season.

In this case sticking with the manager is changing the pattern, not sacking them.

Presumably you don't think practice and learning is worthwhile. Afterall if you don't get it right the first few times you never will clearly.


I had a feeling you would say that.

In this instance, the action that brings about the most change is removing the manager and all his staff and getting someone else in.

Just because it didn’t work before does not mean it won’t work now.

:lol:


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by Snowflake Royal » 07 Oct 2018 21:46

Zip Ian, do you believe there isn’t a manager out there that couldn’t do better than Clement? I do share your reservations about Gourlay not making the right appointment though. I just don’t think Clement is learning from his mistakes.

I think there are very few who are available and / or within our capability to attract. And all of them will be stuck with the same players, much of the same backroom staff and the same upper management structure.

Embrace relegation, you'll be happier for it.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by Zip » 07 Oct 2018 21:57

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Zip Ian, do you believe there isn’t a manager out there that couldn’t do better than Clement? I do share your reservations about Gourlay not making the right appointment though. I just don’t think Clement is learning from his mistakes.

I think there are very few who are available and / or within our capability to attract. And all of them will be stuck with the same players, much of the same backroom staff and the same upper management structure.

Embrace relegation, you'll be happier for it.


No chance of embracing relegation in the first week of October. You will be suggesting I vote Liberal Democrat next. :wink:

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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by Scutterbucketz » 07 Oct 2018 22:00

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Snowflake Royal If you're alluding to the phrase repeating the same thing and expecting different results, is the definition of madness, which I'm not sure Einstein actually said, that's exactly the point I just made. Why would you expect sacking yet another manager after less than two seasons in charge to have a different effect to the last three times where we've got progressively worse bar one delayed reaction in Stam's first season.

In this case sticking with the manager is changing the pattern, not sacking them.

Presumably you don't think practice and learning is worthwhile. Afterall if you don't get it right the first few times you never will clearly.


I had a feeling you would say that.

In this instance, the action that brings about the most change is removing the manager and all his staff and getting someone else in.

Just because it didn’t work before does not mean it won’t work now.

:lol:



It’s like trying to roll a 6 on a dice and saying “well, I didn’t roll a 6 those 5 times so I may as well give up”.

In that next throw you might not roll that 6, but if you don’t throw the fukker you’ll never find out. Analogies are hard, just ask Kes, but I’d rather throw again than stick with the shit we have.

As stated previously, if there was anything in his previous management career that suggested he might be able to turn it round, also baring in mind the squad available and the apparent conditions within the club, then I might just be willing to give him a chance.

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by Snowflake Royal » 07 Oct 2018 22:48

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I had a feeling you would say that.

In this instance, the action that brings about the most change is removing the manager and all his staff and getting someone else in.

Just because it didn’t work before does not mean it won’t work now.

:lol:



It’s like trying to roll a 6 on a dice and saying “well, I didn’t roll a 6 those 5 times so I may as well give up”.

In that next throw you might not roll that 6, but if you don’t throw the fukker you’ll never find out. Analogies are hard, just ask Kes, but I’d rather throw again than stick with the shit we have.

As stated previously, if there was anything in his previous management career that suggested he might be able to turn it round, also baring in mind the squad available and the apparent conditions within the club, then I might just be willing to give him a chance.

I'm just enjoying the way you're saying we shouldn't keep doing the same thing with Clement, because the outcome of that can't change, whilst simultaneously saying we should do the same thing as with Adkins, Clarke, McDermott and Stam, because the outcome of that might change.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by leon » 07 Oct 2018 23:12

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Zip Ian, do you believe there isn’t a manager out there that couldn’t do better than Clement? I do share your reservations about Gourlay not making the right appointment though. I just don’t think Clement is learning from his mistakes.

I think there are very few who are available and / or within our capability to attract. And all of them will be stuck with the same players, much of the same backroom staff and the same upper management structure.

Embrace relegation, you'll be happier for it.


This is insanity. Utter insanity.

There are no better managers out there that are better than Clement?

But he’s not even any good?

Ian, I’m concerned about you. Have you joined a death cult?

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by Scutterbucketz » 07 Oct 2018 23:28

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It’s like trying to roll a 6 on a dice and saying “well, I didn’t roll a 6 those 5 times so I may as well give up”.

In that next throw you might not roll that 6, but if you don’t throw the fukker you’ll never find out. Analogies are hard, just ask Kes, but I’d rather throw again than stick with the shit we have.

As stated previously, if there was anything in his previous management career that suggested he might be able to turn it round, also baring in mind the squad available and the apparent conditions within the club, then I might just be willing to give him a chance.

I'm just enjoying the way you're saying we shouldn't keep doing the same thing with Clement, because the outcome of that can't change, whilst simultaneously saying we should do the same thing as with Adkins, Clarke, McDermott and Stam, because the outcome of that might change.


No, you misunderstand still.

I recognise that it could change, but nothing I’ve seen or know about him makes me think that is likely to happen. Whereas, changing the manager would definitely bring about a big change which could be the kick up the arse we need. It also might not work out at all. And if it doesn’t we will be relegated.

But we need change and fast. Being resigned to relegation because you’re fed up of that change will achieve nothing in the time we have available.

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by leon » 08 Oct 2018 00:04

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It’s like trying to roll a 6 on a dice and saying “well, I didn’t roll a 6 those 5 times so I may as well give up”.

In that next throw you might not roll that 6, but if you don’t throw the fukker you’ll never find out. Analogies are hard, just ask Kes, but I’d rather throw again than stick with the shit we have.

As stated previously, if there was anything in his previous management career that suggested he might be able to turn it round, also baring in mind the squad available and the apparent conditions within the club, then I might just be willing to give him a chance.

I'm just enjoying the way you're saying we shouldn't keep doing the same thing with Clement, because the outcome of that can't change, whilst simultaneously saying we should do the same thing as with Adkins, Clarke, McDermott and Stam, because the outcome of that might change.


No, you misunderstand still.

I recognise that it could change, but nothing I’ve seen or know about him makes me think that is likely to happen. Whereas, changing the manager would definitely bring about a big change which could be the kick up the arse we need. It also might not work out at all. And if it doesn’t we will be relegated.

But we need change and fast. Being resigned to relegation because you’re fed up of that change will achieve nothing in the time we have available.


Absolutely.

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by Kulshaw72RFC » 08 Oct 2018 05:55

Are you okay Snowflake Royal? Have you had a minor brain aneurysm?

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by Hound » 08 Oct 2018 07:20

Problem with changing manager is that it really is back to square 1

The new man has to assess the squad, can blame results on what he has inherited etc

At least Clement seems to have got to the point where we have a fairly clearly defined first 11/14 and.

I think it’s to early to push the panic button. We’re not getting cut adrift and there are some positive signs. PC is clearly learning on the job which is far from ideal but how it currently is

Still sh1t in december (quite likely) then prob be a good time to look elsewhere with the Jan transfer window round the corner

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Re: MATCHWATCH : West Bromwich Albion (a) sponsored by Paxo, probably

by Snowflake Royal » 08 Oct 2018 07:25

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Zip Ian, do you believe there isn’t a manager out there that couldn’t do better than Clement? I do share your reservations about Gourlay not making the right appointment though. I just don’t think Clement is learning from his mistakes.

I think there are very few who are available and / or within our capability to attract. And all of them will be stuck with the same players, much of the same backroom staff and the same upper management structure.

Embrace relegation, you'll be happier for it.


This is insanity. Utter insanity.

There are no better managers out there that are better than Clement?

But he’s not even any good?

Ian, I’m concerned about you. Have you joined a death cult?

You know that's not actually what I said.

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by Snowflake Royal » 08 Oct 2018 07:28

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It’s like trying to roll a 6 on a dice and saying “well, I didn’t roll a 6 those 5 times so I may as well give up”.

In that next throw you might not roll that 6, but if you don’t throw the fukker you’ll never find out. Analogies are hard, just ask Kes, but I’d rather throw again than stick with the shit we have.

As stated previously, if there was anything in his previous management career that suggested he might be able to turn it round, also baring in mind the squad available and the apparent conditions within the club, then I might just be willing to give him a chance.

I'm just enjoying the way you're saying we shouldn't keep doing the same thing with Clement, because the outcome of that can't change, whilst simultaneously saying we should do the same thing as with Adkins, Clarke, McDermott and Stam, because the outcome of that might change.


No, you misunderstand still.

I recognise that it could change, but nothing I’ve seen or know about him makes me think that is likely to happen. Whereas, changing the manager would definitely bring about a big change which could be the kick up the arse we need. It also might not work out at all. And if it doesn’t we will be relegated.

But we need change and fast. Being resigned to relegation because you’re fed up of that change will achieve nothing in the time we have available.

I don't misunderstand, I disagree.

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