by Jackson Corner » 28 Nov 2018 03:39
by Fezza » 28 Nov 2018 06:43
BR0B0T At least the y26 Ultras got a result off the pitch...small consolation!
by NewCorkSeth » 28 Nov 2018 08:03
sandman Where's Seth? Thought he "wasn't going to stand criticism of Swift".
by RoyalBlue » 28 Nov 2018 08:09
Ranty McRantfaceleonhughsies no.1 Where to start with that.
Turned up at Elland Road not expecting much and expecting to be blown away by a high-tempo Leeds team - and we weren't.
Didn't think they really posed a threat in the first half, their dive in the box was embarrassing, Roofe was arguably the danger but thought we handled him. Second half pressure told, they got their goal. We then got our golden chance to equalise but for some reason Bacuna didn't square it to Loader, we then got another golden chance with the penalty, can't blame McNulty imho - had the balls to step up, hit it well, was a good save. The away end (all 50 of us anyway) would have gone crazy. But that's football, was a massive blow.
Few players to pick out:
Rinomhota - this kid looks like he has a huge future ahead of him, I was impressed with him at Wigan and tonight again he looked top drawer. SO confident on the ball, turn of pace, range of passing and not afraid of putting a tackle in. Is he the answer to the hole Danny Williams left in the middle of the park?
Loader - great to see him start, fair play to Clement showing faith in him in a game of this magnitude too. Looks quick and skillful and will continue to get better. Has to start again Saturday
Jaakola -our #1 keeper, put that argument to bed
Illori - Played well, think him and Moore are our best partnership if Clement wants us playing out from the back, he's very comfortable on the ball and is putting in more tackles than he used to
Kelly - thought he looked out of sorts again, running out of patience with him. Don't think him or Swift deserve to start at weekend.
Gunter - why did Blackett get dropped tonight, I thought we got to a point where we knew we needed a left back at left back and a right back at right back. Leeds doubled up on him, don't think he blocked one cross, I don't like jumping on the Gunter bandwagon but tonight he fustrated me a lot and it was very harsh on Blackett not to start
All fair points. Swift really stuck out as the weakest player tonight. He either dwelt too long or overran the ball on several occasions.
Possibly a tad harsh on Kelly who was tidyish in possession although did give the ball away unnecessarily a few times.
I think this is really harsh on Kelly tbh.
I'm getting a little tired of reading BFTG posts where the reviews are literally just rants about players they don't like. It's like if a player they didn't like did 9 great things in a game and 1 awful thing you could get a review as if the latter is all the player did.
by RoyalBlue » 28 Nov 2018 08:14
Jackson Corner Back from the TV. Was expecting a tonking and TBF the team put in a solid shift, But as usual after a promising first half right from the kick off we are on the back foot and nearly conceded in the first minute. Leeds were much quicker, passed the ball faster and we just kept giving it back. Only a matter of time before they scored. And then out the blue we are offered a guilt edged chance to score. 4 of us round my house as one new Mcnulty would miss and he obliged. It wasn't the worst penalty and he had he balls to step up but if his confidence was low before the game it must be rock bottom now. He looked close to tears at the end. Sadly he is out of his depth at this level. no pace poor control and a lack of awareness. At the end another defeat and a step nearer division one.
by NewCorkSeth » 28 Nov 2018 08:17
Ranty McRantfaceleonhughsies no.1 Where to start with that.
Turned up at Elland Road not expecting much and expecting to be blown away by a high-tempo Leeds team - and we weren't.
Didn't think they really posed a threat in the first half, their dive in the box was embarrassing, Roofe was arguably the danger but thought we handled him. Second half pressure told, they got their goal. We then got our golden chance to equalise but for some reason Bacuna didn't square it to Loader, we then got another golden chance with the penalty, can't blame McNulty imho - had the balls to step up, hit it well, was a good save. The away end (all 50 of us anyway) would have gone crazy. But that's football, was a massive blow.
Few players to pick out:
Rinomhota - this kid looks like he has a huge future ahead of him, I was impressed with him at Wigan and tonight again he looked top drawer. SO confident on the ball, turn of pace, range of passing and not afraid of putting a tackle in. Is he the answer to the hole Danny Williams left in the middle of the park?
Loader - great to see him start, fair play to Clement showing faith in him in a game of this magnitude too. Looks quick and skillful and will continue to get better. Has to start again Saturday
Jaakola -our #1 keeper, put that argument to bed
Illori - Played well, think him and Moore are our best partnership if Clement wants us playing out from the back, he's very comfortable on the ball and is putting in more tackles than he used to
Kelly - thought he looked out of sorts again, running out of patience with him. Don't think him or Swift deserve to start at weekend.
Gunter - why did Blackett get dropped tonight, I thought we got to a point where we knew we needed a left back at left back and a right back at right back. Leeds doubled up on him, don't think he blocked one cross, I don't like jumping on the Gunter bandwagon but tonight he fustrated me a lot and it was very harsh on Blackett not to start
All fair points. Swift really stuck out as the weakest player tonight. He either dwelt too long or overran the ball on several occasions.
Possibly a tad harsh on Kelly who was tidyish in possession although did give the ball away unnecessarily a few times.
I think this is really harsh on Kelly tbh.
I'm getting a little tired of reading BFTG posts where the reviews are literally just rants about players they don't like. It's like if a player they didn't like did 9 great things in a game and 1 awful thing you could get a review as if the latter is all the player did.
by Stranded » 28 Nov 2018 08:44
RoyalBlueJackson Corner Back from the TV. Was expecting a tonking and TBF the team put in a solid shift, But as usual after a promising first half right from the kick off we are on the back foot and nearly conceded in the first minute. Leeds were much quicker, passed the ball faster and we just kept giving it back. Only a matter of time before they scored. And then out the blue we are offered a guilt edged chance to score. 4 of us round my house as one new Mcnulty would miss and he obliged. It wasn't the worst penalty and he had he balls to step up but if his confidence was low before the game it must be rock bottom now. He looked close to tears at the end. Sadly he is out of his depth at this level. no pace poor control and a lack of awareness. At the end another defeat and a step nearer division one.
If his confidence was low prior to the game, then Clement must take the majority of the blame. He signed the player, doubtless sold him the opportunities with us (I believe other teams were after him), then proceeded to exclude him from any real first team involvement!
II don't think the majority of professional footballers are as fragile psychologically as you appear to be suggesting, they wouldn't survive if they were. I'd be tempted to play him on Saturday and give him the opportunity to harness any disappointment, feeling of letting down the team etc. that he has. You could pretty much guarantee that he will give everything to the cause in an attempt to make up for that failure to convert the penalty and it might prove to be a positive turning point for him and us.
by muirinho » 28 Nov 2018 08:58
NewCorkSethRanty McRantfaceleon
All fair points. Swift really stuck out as the weakest player tonight. He either dwelt too long or overran the ball on several occasions.
Possibly a tad harsh on Kelly who was tidyish in possession although did give the ball away unnecessarily a few times.
I think this is really harsh on Kelly tbh.
I'm getting a little tired of reading BFTG posts where the reviews are literally just rants about players they don't like. It's like if a player they didn't like did 9 great things in a game and 1 awful thing you could get a review as if the latter is all the player did.
To be fair Kelly was dispossessed twice, put in 0 successful tackles and only 63% of his total of 30 passes found a team mate.
by Hound » 28 Nov 2018 09:00
by Coppells Lost Coat » 28 Nov 2018 09:01
by Snowflake Royal » 28 Nov 2018 09:04
URZZZZBrain Traysers While he didn't have a good game, some really low ratings for Swift there.
Even out of form he is the best creator we have, so I can't see him being dropped in the immediate future. It should be accepted he is a luxury player who will give the ball away while attempting to create chances, and offer low defensive activity. He is likely to look worse against a team that will offer us limited possession - it looks like we had just under 35% today - as he will surrender (rare) possession cheaply and we have to defend more, with his limited defensive skillet therefore exposed.
Who else do we have who could play that role?
Sorry but I disagree, he didn't create one thing today. It's not just the fact he gives the ball away, it's the fact he just watches and never tries to win it back after he's lost ut
Considering we were playing 4-3-2-1 with Swift on the left side, I'd rather McCleary play there, he works well with Gunter, so will help him out more and he may actually play the ball to his own team occasionally. Summed it up after about 55 minutes when we were on the break 3 against 3 and he did an atrocious touch straight into the defender which IIRC nearly resulted in a goal for them
After a few decent games earlier in the season, he has really disappointed again the last few games and I would be very surprised and annoyed if he is in the 11 against Stoke, particularly against a strong physical Rowett side most probably
by NewCorkSeth » 28 Nov 2018 09:05
muirinhoNewCorkSethRanty McRantface
I think this is really harsh on Kelly tbh.
I'm getting a little tired of reading BFTG posts where the reviews are literally just rants about players they don't like. It's like if a player they didn't like did 9 great things in a game and 1 awful thing you could get a review as if the latter is all the player did.
To be fair Kelly was dispossessed twice, put in 0 successful tackles and only 63% of his total of 30 passes found a team mate.
Stats aren't everything though. Lots of criticism on here for Chris Gunter, for instance - but according to whoscored he made more tackles than any other Reading player (5 tackles, 1 interception, 2 clearances) and was rated higher than Yiadom and Moore.
Although tbf, if he let a lot go by him, and still did that much, it's probably showing up how poor Swift was.
by sandman » 28 Nov 2018 09:06
NewCorkSethRanty McRantfaceleon
All fair points. Swift really stuck out as the weakest player tonight. He either dwelt too long or overran the ball on several occasions.
Possibly a tad harsh on Kelly who was tidyish in possession although did give the ball away unnecessarily a few times.
I think this is really harsh on Kelly tbh.
I'm getting a little tired of reading BFTG posts where the reviews are literally just rants about players they don't like. It's like if a player they didn't like did 9 great things in a game and 1 awful thing you could get a review as if the latter is all the player did.
To be fair Kelly was dispossessed twice, put in 0 successful tackles and only 63% of his total of 30 passes found a team mate.
Snowflake RoyalURZZZZBrain Traysers While he didn't have a good game, some really low ratings for Swift there.
Even out of form he is the best creator we have, so I can't see him being dropped in the immediate future. It should be accepted he is a luxury player who will give the ball away while attempting to create chances, and offer low defensive activity. He is likely to look worse against a team that will offer us limited possession - it looks like we had just under 35% today - as he will surrender (rare) possession cheaply and we have to defend more, with his limited defensive skillet therefore exposed.
Who else do we have who could play that role?
Sorry but I disagree, he didn't create one thing today. It's not just the fact he gives the ball away, it's the fact he just watches and never tries to win it back after he's lost ut
Considering we were playing 4-3-2-1 with Swift on the left side, I'd rather McCleary play there, he works well with Gunter, so will help him out more and he may actually play the ball to his own team occasionally. Summed it up after about 55 minutes when we were on the break 3 against 3 and he did an atrocious touch straight into the defender which IIRC nearly resulted in a goal for them
After a few decent games earlier in the season, he has really disappointed again the last few games and I would be very surprised and annoyed if he is in the 11 against Stoke, particularly against a strong physical Rowett side most probably
+1
Swift really doesn't create much at all and his downsides far out weight his positives. Bacuna has more assists and higher key passes per game, plus more goals. He's too slow and casual to carry the ball forward on the break as well.
Barrow has as many assists and higher key passes. Yiadom and Blackert have as many assists, Blackert and Kelly are not far behind on key passes. With the exception of Barrow all of them offer far more defensively than Swift.
He's absolutely the first of those four midfielders I (or more importantly Clement) would drop. As soon as Eza's back he's out the xi for sure, and he should also lose his place in that line up to any of McCleary, Barrow, Baldock and Sims.
by Hound » 28 Nov 2018 09:11
by NewCorkSeth » 28 Nov 2018 09:12
sandmanNewCorkSethRanty McRantface
I think this is really harsh on Kelly tbh.
I'm getting a little tired of reading BFTG posts where the reviews are literally just rants about players they don't like. It's like if a player they didn't like did 9 great things in a game and 1 awful thing you could get a review as if the latter is all the player did.
To be fair Kelly was dispossessed twice, put in 0 successful tackles and only 63% of his total of 30 passes found a team mate.
Kelly made two interceptions, blocked two shots and made a clearance.
Outside of the tackle Swift made zero contribution defensively with no interceptions, blocked shots or clearances.
It's not Kelly's job to tackle. He's a player who defensively has to try to nick the ball by intercepting passes and closing down passing lanes. If you're expecting him to be a player who makes tackles, even in a successful side, then you're always going to be disappointed. Apart from anything else his frame will make it difficult for him to make successful tackles.
by Snowflake Royal » 28 Nov 2018 09:13
by Hound » 28 Nov 2018 09:15
by Snowflake Royal » 28 Nov 2018 09:16
NewCorkSethsandmanNewCorkSeth To be fair Kelly was dispossessed twice, put in 0 successful tackles and only 63% of his total of 30 passes found a team mate.
Kelly made two interceptions, blocked two shots and made a clearance.
Outside of the tackle Swift made zero contribution defensively with no interceptions, blocked shots or clearances.
It's not Kelly's job to tackle. He's a player who defensively has to try to nick the ball by intercepting passes and closing down passing lanes. If you're expecting him to be a player who makes tackles, even in a successful side, then you're always going to be disappointed. Apart from anything else his frame will make it difficult for him to make successful tackles.
I knew this was coming. See above my comment that someone would use Swift being worse as an argument. It's not. Swift was shit. So was Kelly. Just because I like Swift doesn't mean I'm going to look for excuses or pass blame onto other players. I think Swift was bad and will write that in my BFTG later. Kelly was only slightly less bad.
Swift is (and was fairly last night) often lambasted for his lack of defensive contributions. But we should hold Kelly to that same standard.
You say Kelly is not that type of player well neither is Swift. Say what you want about me but I don't blindly defend a player by contradicting myself.
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