by Hound » 04 Feb 2019 11:58
by Maneki Neko » 04 Feb 2019 12:06
by Hound » 04 Feb 2019 12:10
Hound yeah just looked at Brum Mail which said they are looking at it today
Comically they have an article on Reading fans reaction the Villa game, with all the quotes taken from this thread
by Snowball » 04 Feb 2019 12:18
by Hound » 04 Feb 2019 12:20
Old Man AndrewsHound yeah just looked at Brum Mail which said they are looking at it today
Comically they have an article on Reading fans reaction the Villa game, with all the quotes taken from this thread
Can't find this. Link?
by Nameless » 04 Feb 2019 12:20
Maneki NekosandmanManeki Neko
cannot see how you can judge it without knowing his intent, which is impossible.
it looks iffy, and youd think he could have tried to avoid it more, but that's all a bit vague to be charging someone for
imo
If you believe a former ref his intent doesn't come into it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RefereeHalsey/status/1092066083622682624
in which case its even harderto prove anything.
there was a coming together, he got a bit tangled up and fell over oliveira, and in a split second his foot came down on his face.
for me any charge would only be down to the seriousness of the injury rather than any certainty about mings doing him on purpose, which seems a bit off. for me.
hunt didn't mean to do it, but in real time and slow mo to anyone who isnt a one eyed reading supporter) it looked like he probably dropped his knee into Czechs head on purpose.
by Nameless » 04 Feb 2019 12:21
Old Man Andrews The FA are reviewing it.
by NewCorkSeth » 04 Feb 2019 12:23
HoundOld Man AndrewsHound yeah just looked at Brum Mail which said they are looking at it today
Comically they have an article on Reading fans reaction the Villa game, with all the quotes taken from this thread
Can't find this. Link?
seems to have fallen off the page. but a quick google found it here:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/ ... s-15775443
by Bigtimmeh » 04 Feb 2019 12:25
by Nameless » 04 Feb 2019 12:25
Nameless I was ever asked for permission to use my comment. Surely that is an infringement of my intellectual property rights....
by Bigtimmeh » 04 Feb 2019 12:29
Nameless I was ever asked for permission to use my comment. Surely that is an infringement of my intellectual property rights....
by 10539.4 Miles Away » 04 Feb 2019 12:45
Maneki NekosandmanManeki Neko
cannot see how you can judge it without knowing his intent, which is impossible.
it looks iffy, and youd think he could have tried to avoid it more, but that's all a bit vague to be charging someone for
imo
If you believe a former ref his intent doesn't come into it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RefereeHalsey/status/1092066083622682624
in which case its even harderto prove anything.
there was a coming together, he got a bit tangled up and fell over oliveira, and in a split second his foot came down on his face.
for me any charge would only be down to the seriousness of the injury rather than any certainty about mings doing him on purpose, which seems a bit off. for me.
hunt didn't mean to do it, but in real time and slow mo to anyone who isnt a one eyed reading supporter) it looked like he probably dropped his knee into Czechs head on purpose.
10539.4 Miles AwayManeki Nekosandman
If you believe a former ref his intent doesn't come into it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RefereeHalsey/status/1092066083622682624
in which case its even harderto prove anything.
there was a coming together, he got a bit tangled up and fell over oliveira, and in a split second his foot came down on his face.
for me any charge would only be down to the seriousness of the injury rather than any certainty about mings doing him on purpose, which seems a bit off. for me.
hunt didn't mean to do it, but in real time and slow mo to anyone who isnt a one eyed reading supporter) it looked like he probably dropped his knee into Czechs head on purpose.
And regardless of 'Mings called the physio over first' he did it after running for another 3 or 4 steps and calling for a pass. If it was accidental he would surely have stopped immediately.
by 10539.4 Miles Away » 04 Feb 2019 12:50
Old Man Andrews10539.4 Miles AwayManeki Neko
in which case its even harderto prove anything.
there was a coming together, he got a bit tangled up and fell over oliveira, and in a split second his foot came down on his face.
for me any charge would only be down to the seriousness of the injury rather than any certainty about mings doing him on purpose, which seems a bit off. for me.
hunt didn't mean to do it, but in real time and slow mo to anyone who isnt a one eyed reading supporter) it looked like he probably dropped his knee into Czechs head on purpose.
And regardless of 'Mings called the physio over first' he did it after running for another 3 or 4 steps and calling for a pass. If it was accidental he would surely have stopped immediately.
You can look at it the other way though and say that was because Mings didn't know he had stepped on Oliveira's face. Not saying that is the case at all just offering balance. It is the sort of thing he will use if the FA charge him, I don't think there is anyway Mings wouldn't fight the charge.
by 10539.4 Miles Away » 04 Feb 2019 12:53
sandman Exactly.
Most likely scenario is that Oliveira had just been booked for diving and they were having a bit of a tussle. Mings thought he'd leave a bit on him to try and get a reaction and maybe Oliveira would get a second yellow for retaliating.
I'm sure he didn't mean to do so much damage and once he saw the severity of what he'd done reality kicked in and he felt remorse.
by Snowflake Royal » 04 Feb 2019 13:01
Maneki NekosandmanManeki Neko
cannot see how you can judge it without knowing his intent, which is impossible.
it looks iffy, and youd think he could have tried to avoid it more, but that's all a bit vague to be charging someone for
imo
If you believe a former ref his intent doesn't come into it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RefereeHalsey/status/1092066083622682624
in which case its even harderto prove anything.
there was a coming together, he got a bit tangled up and fell over oliveira, and in a split second his foot came down on his face.
for me any charge would only be down to the seriousness of the injury rather than any certainty about mings doing him on purpose, which seems a bit off. for me.
hunt didn't mean to do it, but in real time and slow mo to anyone who isnt a one eyed reading supporter) it looked like he probably dropped his knee into Czechs head on purpose.
by Nameless » 04 Feb 2019 13:11
Snowflake RoyalManeki Nekosandman
If you believe a former ref his intent doesn't come into it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RefereeHalsey/status/1092066083622682624
in which case its even harderto prove anything.
there was a coming together, he got a bit tangled up and fell over oliveira, and in a split second his foot came down on his face.
for me any charge would only be down to the seriousness of the injury rather than any certainty about mings doing him on purpose, which seems a bit off. for me.
hunt didn't mean to do it, but in real time and slow mo to anyone who isnt a one eyed reading supporter) it looked like he probably dropped his knee into Czechs head on purpose.
There are three questions here:
Was it violent conduct - kinda implied intent in that, if not explicit, but very hard to say it is violent conduct IMO, it's not a clear punch /kick/headbutt/push etc
Is it excessive force - not really, he's just running, you'll never convincingly show extra force on that
Is it reckless - this is the more likely to stand up of the three IMO. If I was the FA and didn't like what I saw enough to want to charge him (esp with the previous) this is what I'd go with, but I still think a decent advocate could easily challenge at appeal.
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