by Sutekh » 04 Sep 2017 19:34
by Sanguine » 05 Sep 2017 10:12
by BR2 » 05 Sep 2017 12:56
Sanguine I don't believe in any other major European country would Rashford be struggling to win starts at his club - read down the teamsheets at Bundesliga or La Liga clubs and you find predominantly domestic players. No way that the likes of Rooney or Owen would be getting the gametime now that they did when they broke through at 16 and 17. Raheem Sterling's rapid rise from youth-team player to starter at Liverpool was purely down to Brendan Rodger's faith in him. He picked him. In Italy Donnarumma is now established in the Milan goal - in England he'd be doing a Jack Butland tour of loan spells and not yet be capped.
by Stranded » 06 Sep 2017 12:52
Sanguine I don't believe in any other major European country would Rashford be struggling to win starts at his club - read down the teamsheets at Bundesliga or La Liga clubs and you find predominantly domestic players. No way that the likes of Rooney or Owen would be getting the gametime now that they did when they broke through at 16 and 17. Raheem Sterling's rapid rise from youth-team player to starter at Liverpool was purely down to Brendan Rodger's faith in him. He picked him. In Italy Donnarumma is now established in the Milan goal - in England he'd be doing a Jack Butland tour of loan spells and not yet be capped.
by BR0B0T » 06 Sep 2017 14:43
StrandedSanguine I don't believe in any other major European country would Rashford be struggling to win starts at his club - read down the teamsheets at Bundesliga or La Liga clubs and you find predominantly domestic players. No way that the likes of Rooney or Owen would be getting the gametime now that they did when they broke through at 16 and 17. Raheem Sterling's rapid rise from youth-team player to starter at Liverpool was purely down to Brendan Rodger's faith in him. He picked him. In Italy Donnarumma is now established in the Milan goal - in England he'd be doing a Jack Butland tour of loan spells and not yet be capped.
Yep Germany used the embarrassment of not getting out of the group in Euro 2000 as a reason to look at the blueprint of their football and put an onus on clubs producing talent for the national team - the clubs bought into this and the result is plan to see - World Champions and a German reserve team won the Confed Cup.
The other team not to qualify out of Germany's group - England. Who essentially have done nothing to ensure youg talent gets exposure at a first team level. We clearly have an excellent youth set up at the moment (results show that) but bar Everton and maybe 1 or 2 other clubs, the players don't get a chance. Is good to see though that more young players are realising this barrier exists to instead are looking to move abroad either on loan or permanently.
Jadon Sancho has just left City for Dortmund, Chris Willock moving from Arsenal to Benfica being two permanent deals. Kaylon Hinds, Reece Oxford and Ryan Kent also getting good Bundesliga experience.
by Vision » 06 Sep 2017 15:33
BR0B0TStrandedSanguine I don't believe in any other major European country would Rashford be struggling to win starts at his club - read down the teamsheets at Bundesliga or La Liga clubs and you find predominantly domestic players. No way that the likes of Rooney or Owen would be getting the gametime now that they did when they broke through at 16 and 17. Raheem Sterling's rapid rise from youth-team player to starter at Liverpool was purely down to Brendan Rodger's faith in him. He picked him. In Italy Donnarumma is now established in the Milan goal - in England he'd be doing a Jack Butland tour of loan spells and not yet be capped.
Yep Germany used the embarrassment of not getting out of the group in Euro 2000 as a reason to look at the blueprint of their football and put an onus on clubs producing talent for the national team - the clubs bought into this and the result is plan to see - World Champions and a German reserve team won the Confed Cup.
The other team not to qualify out of Germany's group - England. Who essentially have done nothing to ensure youg talent gets exposure at a first team level. We clearly have an excellent youth set up at the moment (results show that) but bar Everton and maybe 1 or 2 other clubs, the players don't get a chance. Is good to see though that more young players are realising this barrier exists to instead are looking to move abroad either on loan or permanently.
Jadon Sancho has just left City for Dortmund, Chris Willock moving from Arsenal to Benfica being two permanent deals. Kaylon Hinds, Reece Oxford and Ryan Kent also getting good Bundesliga experience.
Unfortunately, it's not possible to go back in time, leave the German system as it was and replay events to see how things would have turned out. There is defo a random element of producing the 5/6 outstanding players that can make a good team 'special' i.e. France 98-06 (bar 2002 iirc), Spain more recently....
by Sanguine » 06 Sep 2017 15:45
by BR0B0T » 06 Sep 2017 16:44
by From Despair To Where? » 06 Oct 2017 16:43
by Hoop Blah » 07 Nov 2017 16:56
by Vision » 08 Nov 2017 07:44
Hoop Blah So many withdrawals from the England squad now and a really odd decision to call up Keane and now Livermoore when Alli and the rest have dropped out.
Southgate has alluded to wanting to try and evolve the style of play, and bringing Winks and Maguire in to help that but hasn't looked at reintegrating Drinkwater or Wilshire.
Seems daft to me.
by Hoop Blah » 08 Nov 2017 11:54
Vision He made a rod for his own back by stating in relation to Wilshire that he couldn't be considered for selection because he wasn't playing regularly enough for his club. Drinkwater would fall into the same category. You're right It's utterly daft and frankly England are crying out for something different that Wilshire can bring in midfield but I guess its more important to Southgate to not lose face than to actually pick his best squad.
That said, good to see Jack Cork rewarded with a call up.
by Hoop Blah » 09 Nov 2017 16:38
Hoop Blah Drinkwater is an interesting one. I'm not sure how good he is as I've not really watched him that much but it does also feel like he's not that interested in playing for England
by Greatwesternline » 10 Nov 2017 11:50
From Despair To Where? Can't help but think that the development of a coherent development strategy is a lower priority for the FA than selling global TV rights for the Premier League.
by Stranded » 13 Nov 2017 08:00
VisionHoop Blah So many withdrawals from the England squad now and a really odd decision to call up Keane and now Livermoore when Alli and the rest have dropped out.
Southgate has alluded to wanting to try and evolve the style of play, and bringing Winks and Maguire in to help that but hasn't looked at reintegrating Drinkwater or Wilshire.
Seems daft to me.
He made a rod for his own back by stating in relation to Wilshire that he couldn't be considered for selection because he wasn't playing regularly enough for his club. Drinkwater would fall into the same category. You're right It's utterly daft and frankly England are crying out for something different that Wilshire can bring in midfield but I guess its more important to Southgate to not lose face than to actually pick his best squad.
That said, good to see Jack Cork rewarded with a call up.
by Sutekh » 14 Nov 2017 08:40
Marino13 southgate is doing an excellent job,
that is until they get beaten by brazil
tonight and the knives will be out
immediately.
SutekhMarino13 southgate is doing an excellent job,
that is until they get beaten by brazil
tonight and the knives will be out
immediately.
Expectation is Brazil will be more or less full strength. It's going to be a Turkey shoot if Brazil want isn't it...
by bcubed » 14 Nov 2017 12:10
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