England - the future....

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Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 16 Oct 2018 14:37

bcubed wrote:Great work from Southgate and the team. An amazing result to win in Spain

A word on Pickford though.
2 of our goals came from his well placed kicks but ...
What was the dive before any shot came in? Somehow he ended up saving the shot that followed!
And the needless corner?
And the dithering that led to a penalty claim and nearly led to a goal?!
Quite the mixed bag.
It all worked out today but anyone else think he's a bit too erratic?



Sorry to say that England are in a bit of an Reading state with their keepers. All can do a job but there isn't anyone who stands out as being head and shoulders above the rest.

The good thing about though it is they're all young so can only get better and hopefully one of them will ultimately become another Shilton, Clemence or Seaman

Nice to see England resorting to good old fashioned route one football as well.

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Re: England - the future....

by Old Man Andrews » 16 Oct 2018 14:47

Sutekh wrote:
bcubed wrote:Great work from Southgate and the team. An amazing result to win in Spain

A word on Pickford though.
2 of our goals came from his well placed kicks but ...
What was the dive before any shot came in? Somehow he ended up saving the shot that followed!
And the needless corner?
And the dithering that led to a penalty claim and nearly led to a goal?!
Quite the mixed bag.
It all worked out today but anyone else think he's a bit too erratic?



Sorry to say that England are in a bit of an Reading state with their keepers. All can do a job but there isn't anyone who stands out as being head and shoulders above the rest.

The good thing about though it is they're all young so can only get better and hopefully one of them will ultimately become another Shilton, Clemence or Seaman

Nice to see England resorting to good old fashioned route one football as well.


You genuinely don't see Pickford as head and shoulders above the rest? Thought it was a universally accepted thing.

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Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 16 Oct 2018 15:02

Old Man Andrews wrote:
Sutekh wrote:
bcubed wrote:Great work from Southgate and the team. An amazing result to win in Spain

A word on Pickford though.
2 of our goals came from his well placed kicks but ...
What was the dive before any shot came in? Somehow he ended up saving the shot that followed!
And the needless corner?
And the dithering that led to a penalty claim and nearly led to a goal?!
Quite the mixed bag.
It all worked out today but anyone else think he's a bit too erratic?



Sorry to say that England are in a bit of an Reading state with their keepers. All can do a job but there isn't anyone who stands out as being head and shoulders above the rest.

The good thing about though it is they're all young so can only get better and hopefully one of them will ultimately become another Shilton, Clemence or Seaman

Nice to see England resorting to good old fashioned route one football as well.


You genuinely don't see Pickford as head and shoulders above the rest? Thought it was a universally accepted thing.


Would agree that he is the best of the group available though but I'm just not quite convinced he's the final answer at the moment.

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Re: England - the future....

by stealthpapes » 16 Oct 2018 15:48

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I think special mention should be made for Kane too. He's not looked his best for a while but last night, without scoring, he looked much better and was involved a lot more. Whether that's because of tactical changes or things just went for him I don't know, but it was good to see him involved and lot more and looking more dynamic with it.


It has rightfully largely gone unnoticed given the scoreline and overall performance but did you see Harry Kane send the Spanish full back flying in stoppage time when the ball went out for a throw in? We need that sort of aggression and will to win, we have been missing that for many years now. Not only are we playing attractive football our players and most importantly our captain showed that you will not try to f*ck with us. Love it.

Yeh, good on Nacho for taking it like a man as well. Also thoroughly enjoyed the two crunching tackles from Maguire and Dier.

Delighted for Sterling and Rashford to get on the scoresheet, after taking a bit (or a lot in Sterling's case) of criticism recently. Was also really impressed with Chilwell.


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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 16 Oct 2018 16:01

Sutekh wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:You genuinely don't see Pickford as head and shoulders above the rest? Thought it was a universally accepted thing.


Would agree that he is the best of the group available though but I'm just not quite convinced he's the final answer at the moment.


What we need is some kind of goalkeeping expert on HNA? that can tell us for certain who is and who isn't the best.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that Pickford isn't much different to Butland in most regards (I'd generally have had Butland ahead of Pickford in goalkeeping terms, shot stopping, command of his area etc) and there was a lot of debate approaching the World Cup as to which of the two would be number 1.

Pickford got the nod largely because of his ability with the ball at his feet (something he is definitely better than Butland at) and he proved how effective that can be for the team by contributing to two of the goals. That makes him Southgate's number one for now but the manager has already shown he isn't afraid to change things if he thinks they need changing.


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Re: England - the future....

by Pepe the Horseman » 16 Oct 2018 16:39

stealthpapes wrote:
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It has rightfully largely gone unnoticed given the scoreline and overall performance but did you see Harry Kane send the Spanish full back flying in stoppage time when the ball went out for a throw in? We need that sort of aggression and will to win, we have been missing that for many years now. Not only are we playing attractive football our players and most importantly our captain showed that you will not try to f*ck with us. Love it.

Yeh, good on Nacho for taking it like a man as well. Also thoroughly enjoyed the two crunching tackles from Maguire and Dier.

Delighted for Sterling and Rashford to get on the scoresheet, after taking a bit (or a lot in Sterling's case) of criticism recently. Was also really impressed with Chilwell.


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Re: England - the future....

by Old Man Andrews » 16 Oct 2018 16:48

Hoop Blah wrote:
Sutekh wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:You genuinely don't see Pickford as head and shoulders above the rest? Thought it was a universally accepted thing.


Would agree that he is the best of the group available though but I'm just not quite convinced he's the final answer at the moment.


What we need is some kind of goalkeeping expert on HNA? that can tell us for certain who is and who isn't the best.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that Pickford isn't much different to Butland in most regards (I'd generally have had Butland ahead of Pickford in goalkeeping terms, shot stopping, command of his area etc) and there was a lot of debate approaching the World Cup as to which of the two would be number 1.

Pickford got the nod largely because of his ability with the ball at his feet (something he is definitely better than Butland at) and he proved how effective that can be for the team by contributing to two of the goals. That makes him Southgate's number one for now but the manager has already shown he isn't afraid to change things if he thinks they need changing.


Yes I'm here for you.

Pickford is the best all round goalkeeper we have yes.

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Re: England - the future....

by bcubed » 16 Oct 2018 17:38

Old Man Andrews wrote:
Hoop Blah wrote:
Sutekh wrote:
Would agree that he is the best of the group available though but I'm just not quite convinced he's the final answer at the moment.


What we need is some kind of goalkeeping expert on HNA? that can tell us for certain who is and who isn't the best.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that Pickford isn't much different to Butland in most regards (I'd generally have had Butland ahead of Pickford in goalkeeping terms, shot stopping, command of his area etc) and there was a lot of debate approaching the World Cup as to which of the two would be number 1.

Pickford got the nod largely because of his ability with the ball at his feet (something he is definitely better than Butland at) and he proved how effective that can be for the team by contributing to two of the goals. That makes him Southgate's number one for now but the manager has already shown he isn't afraid to change things if he thinks they need changing.


Yes I'm here for you.

Pickford is the best all round goalkeeper we have yes.


Sorted!

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Re: England - the future....

by Old Man Andrews » 16 Oct 2018 19:27

bcubed wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
Hoop Blah wrote:
What we need is some kind of goalkeeping expert on HNA? that can tell us for certain who is and who isn't the best.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that Pickford isn't much different to Butland in most regards (I'd generally have had Butland ahead of Pickford in goalkeeping terms, shot stopping, command of his area etc) and there was a lot of debate approaching the World Cup as to which of the two would be number 1.

Pickford got the nod largely because of his ability with the ball at his feet (something he is definitely better than Butland at) and he proved how effective that can be for the team by contributing to two of the goals. That makes him Southgate's number one for now but the manager has already shown he isn't afraid to change things if he thinks they need changing.


Yes I'm here for you.

Pickford is the best all round goalkeeper we have yes.


Sorted!

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Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 17 Oct 2018 12:33

The best bit about our resident goalkeeping expert is the total lack of any technical goalkeeping explanations in his post history.

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by Kulshaw72RFC » 17 Oct 2018 15:56

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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 04 Nov 2018 15:50

If reports are true we could see Rooney back in an England shirt for a bit of a farewell appearance against USA.

Not sure I agree with it to be honest.

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by Old Man Andrews » 05 Nov 2018 11:33

Hoop Blah wrote:If reports are true we could see Rooney back in an England shirt for a bit of a farewell appearance against USA.

Not sure I agree with it to be honest.


I think it cheapens the fixture if I am honest, turns it into a bit of a testimonial. Can't argue with Rooney's record for England or anything like that but if you want to honour him then have him lead out the teams before the game or something, he shouldn't be on the pitch ahead of any of our young up and comers. Bit wrong.


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Re: England - the future....

by Old Man Andrews » 05 Nov 2018 21:20

Just as i predicted Sergio Rico has come in for Bettinelli....... I know what I'm talking about, an expert on the subject.

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by Kulshaw72RFC » 06 Nov 2018 08:44

Old Man Andrews wrote:Just as i predicted Sergio Rico has come in for Bettinelli....... I know what I'm talking about, an expert on the subject.


Fair play. You do seem to know a lot. Have you ever worked within the game or with players?

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Re: England - the future....

by Old Man Andrews » 06 Nov 2018 09:03

Kulshaw72RFC wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:Just as i predicted Sergio Rico has come in for Bettinelli....... I know what I'm talking about, an expert on the subject.


Fair play. You do seem to know a lot. Have you ever worked within the game or with players?


25 years as a keeper in my playing days and 7 years as a coach since I stopped playing.

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Re: England - the future....

by Kulshaw72RFC » 06 Nov 2018 09:10

Old Man Andrews wrote:
Kulshaw72RFC wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:Just as i predicted Sergio Rico has come in for Bettinelli....... I know what I'm talking about, an expert on the subject.


Fair play. You do seem to know a lot. Have you ever worked within the game or with players?


25 years as a keeper in my playing days and 7 years as a coach since I stopped playing.


Who did you play for? Was it high level?

You might have played at the same level as my wifes uncle if so.

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Re: England - the future....

by Old Man Andrews » 06 Nov 2018 09:14

Kulshaw72RFC wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
Kulshaw72RFC wrote:
Fair play. You do seem to know a lot. Have you ever worked within the game or with players?


25 years as a keeper in my playing days and 7 years as a coach since I stopped playing.


Who did you play for? Was it high level?

You might have played at the same level as my wifes uncle if so.


I played a very high level until the age of 16 and then discovered fags, women and a bit of weed. Still played a fairly decent level, equivilent of Hellenic League.

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by Kulshaw72RFC » 06 Nov 2018 09:50

Old Man Andrews wrote:
Kulshaw72RFC wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
25 years as a keeper in my playing days and 7 years as a coach since I stopped playing.


Who did you play for? Was it high level?

You might have played at the same level as my wifes uncle if so.


I played a very high level until the age of 16 and then discovered fags, women and a bit of weed. Still played a fairly decent level, equivilent of Hellenic League.


I know he last played for Chesham with the Legend Barry Hayles. I think that is a bit higher at that time anyway.

He also played with Pardew and Primus and Maik Taylor under Ray Clemence at Barnet on loan from Chelski :lol:

and was in that famous MeLOLtdown video where John Sitton was ripping into him and the rest of the team at Halftime.

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Re: England - the future....

by Theroyalbox » 06 Nov 2018 11:41

Kulshaw72RFC wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
Kulshaw72RFC wrote:
Who did you play for? Was it high level?

You might have played at the same level as my wifes uncle if so.


I played a very high level until the age of 16 and then discovered fags, women and a bit of weed. Still played a fairly decent level, equivilent of Hellenic League.


I know he last played for Chesham with the Legend Barry Hayles. I think that is a bit higher at that time anyway.

He also played with Pardew and Primus and Maik Taylor under Ray Clemence at Barnet on loan from Chelski :lol:

and was in that famous MeLOLtdown video where John Sitton was ripping into him and the rest of the team at Halftime.


Wow another lie!

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