England - the future....

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Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 14 Nov 2017 22:25

All credit to Southgate to get a largely inexperienced England so well organised, keep Brazil quiet and still produce a couple of good chances though it would likely have been different if there was anything of note riding on the result.

Just perhaps there is a glimmer of hope that the finals might not be quite so dreadful for England after all. QFs with a bit of luck and some wind behind them?

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Re: England - the future....

by Royal Rother » 14 Nov 2017 22:38

2 hugely promising performances from a group of young Englanders.

+ Wilshere and we could really be on to something.

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Re: England - the future....

by bcubed » 15 Nov 2017 00:08

Sutekh wrote:All credit to Southgate to get a largely inexperienced England so well organised, keep Brazil quiet and still produce a couple of good chances though it would likely have been different if there was anything of note riding on the result.

Just perhaps there is a glimmer of hope that the finals might not be quite so dreadful for England after all. QFs with a bit of luck and some wind behind them?


Forget that

We're going to win it!!

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Re: England - the future....

by Jackson Corner » 15 Nov 2017 02:49

Here we go it's a new dawn. We will be home before the plane turns round.

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Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 15 Nov 2017 09:56

We can be bright and cheerful now until the Finals draw pitches England with Brazil or Germany and the likes of Sweden, Iceland or Denmark and Morocco or Serbia.


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Re: England - the future....

by PieEater » 15 Nov 2017 10:24

I thought the ref was dreadful, one of those who's forgotten it's a contact sport. He just seemed to want to watch Brazil play.

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Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 15 Nov 2017 10:37

Sutekh wrote:All credit to Southgate to get a largely inexperienced England so well organised, keep Brazil quiet and still produce a couple of good chances though it would likely have been different if there was anything of note riding on the result.

Just perhaps there is a glimmer of hope that the finals might not be quite so dreadful for England after all. QFs with a bit of luck and some wind behind them?


Completely agreed - it is being overlooked in some sections of the media (despite them extensively trailing the same before the games) that this was as young an England side as we have fielded in a generation. And the two standout performers, Loftus-Cheek and Gomez, have barely 20 Premier League starts between them. Very encouraging - what for me is now key is that Southgate has these performances, and subsequent Premier League form, in the back of his mind in March for the friendlies with Holland and Italy. I trust he will, for his great week will be a waste if we line-up with Cahill, Smalling and Henderson in Russia, for no real reason but experience.

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Re: England - the future....

by bcubed » 15 Nov 2017 11:38

PieEater wrote:I thought the ref was dreadful, one of those who's forgotten it's a contact sport. He just seemed to want to watch Brazil play.


The perfect ref for Brazil

Contact
Fall over
Free kick

And repeat

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Re: England - the future....

by Stranded » 16 Nov 2017 09:57

Daily Mail website (I know) has "revealed" Southgate's plan for the WC and his preferred formation and XI

Hart

Walker (as wing back)
Stones
Dier
Jones
Rose (as wing back)

Lallana
Henderson
Winks

Ali

Kane

So a 3-2-3-1-1 formation of sorts.


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Re: England - the future....

by bcubed » 16 Nov 2017 23:58

Stranded wrote:Daily Mail website (I know) has "revealed" Southgate's plan for the WC and his preferred formation and XI

Hart

Walker (as wing back)
Stones
Dier
Jones
Rose (as wing back)

Lallana
Henderson
Winks

Ali

Kane

So a 3-2-3-1-1 formation of sorts.



That would be ok I guess but no Hart or Henderson please

I also think Lingard looks excellent each time he has come on for England but perhaps not seen as a starter

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Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 30 Nov 2017 13:15

Not much to argue about there except Butland for Hart, and Loftus-Cheek for Henderson.

RL-C was quite brilliant against Germany and Brazil.

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Re: England - the future....

by double d » 30 Nov 2017 13:33

Sessegnon will be starting lb soon.

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Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 30 Nov 2017 15:53

double d wrote:Sessegnon will be starting lb soon.


At the next World Cup I reckon. Sooner would be a huge ask - he looks likely to go to Spurs in the summer, where he will have to get past Danny Rose. And if he does that and keeps him out of the Spurs side he's still got Ryan Bertrand in his way in the England squad. And if Rose goes to City he might get even better, like Walker.


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Re: England - the future....

by bcubed » 01 Dec 2017 18:03

Hart out and replacing him with Butland is the sensible choice

Do I think this will happen? No
Do I think Hart will contribute to our exit?, with a calamitous error or two? Yes

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Re: England - the future....

by double d » 01 Dec 2017 18:28

Butland or Pickford?
Would you take Wilshire?
What formation will you play?

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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 31 Dec 2017 09:48

Hoop Blah wrote:
Vision wrote:He made a rod for his own back by stating in relation to Wilshire that he couldn't be considered for selection because he wasn't playing regularly enough for his club. Drinkwater would fall into the same category. You're right It's utterly daft and frankly England are crying out for something different that Wilshire can bring in midfield but I guess its more important to Southgate to not lose face than to actually pick his best squad.

That said, good to see Jack Cork rewarded with a call up.


Agreed, we absolutely need what he can bring.

One quote I read from Southgate re Wilshire implied it wasn't just his recent form, fitness and playing opportunities that were the reason but more his long term resilience. It read like Southgate wants to see that he can trust him to be able to play 3 games in 10 days without breaking down.

He brought Danny Rose back in without much match time of course, but yeah, he basically backed himself into a corner. I like Southgate in many ways, but even with the U21's I thought he talked a good game and then made some really odd decisions along the way.

Drinkwater is an interesting one. I'm not sure how good he is as I've not really watched him that much but it does also feel like he's not that interested in playing for England


Great to see Wilshire starting to prove his worth, fitness and, to a lesser extent, his resilience after starting and finishing Arsenal's last 4 Premier League games. Presumably he'll also start their game today which would make it 3 games in 9 days.

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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 31 Dec 2017 10:19

double d wrote:Butland or Pickford?
Would you take Wilshire?
What formation will you play?


Butland would be number one for me and I'd certainly take a fit and in form Wilshire over most English midfielders.

In regards to formation, I'd still favour a back four (Walker, Stones, ??, Rose*), a couple of deeper/holding midfielders (probablyWilshire & Henderson or Dier) with 3 attacking players in front of them (Lallana*, Alli and Sterling) and then Harry Kane up tops.

That 11 could quite easily play Liverpool's 4-3-3 with Lallana, Henderson and Wilshire as the 3 midfielders or switch to 3 at the back if Dier was one of the two deeper midfielders.

* if fit and back in form.

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Re: England - the future....

by bcubed » 02 Jan 2018 00:19

Hoop Blah wrote:
double d wrote:Butland or Pickford?
Would you take Wilshire?
What formation will you play?


Butland would be number one for me and I'd certainly take a fit and in form Wilshire over most English midfielders.

In regards to formation, I'd still favour a back four (Walker, Stones, ??, Rose*), a couple of deeper/holding midfielders (probablyWilshire & Henderson or Dier) with 3 attacking players in front of them (Lallana*, Alli and Sterling) and then Harry Kane up tops.

That 11 could quite easily play Liverpool's 4-3-3 with Lallana, Henderson and Wilshire as the 3 midfielders or switch to 3 at the back if Dier was one of the two deeper midfielders.

* if fit and back in form.


If you picked the team right now I think you'd have to find a space for Lingard

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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 02 Jan 2018 09:13

bcubed wrote:If you picked the team right now I think you'd have to find a space for Lingard


Not a chance. He's in a rich vein of form but he's just one player I can't stand so wouldn't even make my squad.

On form you're probably right though, he'd be one of those 3 behind Kane right now.

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Re: England - the future....

by bcubed » 02 Jan 2018 12:39

Hoop Blah wrote:
bcubed wrote:If you picked the team right now I think you'd have to find a space for Lingard


Not a chance. He's in a rich vein of form but he's just one player I can't stand so wouldn't even make my squad.

On form you're probably right though, he'd be one of those 3 behind Kane right now.


Out of interest why don't you like him?

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