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More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Sutekh » 19 Jun 2017 12:42

Some of the more ridiculous things that FIFA will be pondering in the coming months....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40311889

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Stranded » 19 Jun 2017 13:09

Actually all seem pretty reasonable to me.

Quite like the idea of the halves being 30mins and stopping the clock. Would probably end up having more playing time than we do now.

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by Stranded » 19 Jun 2017 13:14

passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick - makes sense, quick restart to a game, could benefit the attacking team

a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch - no problem here, everyone knows how long to go.

allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving - no big deal

a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on - would stop keepers taking the ball to the other side to waste time, so fair enough

a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball - think we'd all agree with this

a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card - no problem there

a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty - bit tough but hardly happens now anyway, so why not increase the penalty for stupidity

the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line - yep makes sense, no more situations like Suarez in 2010 WC which cost Ghana the game

referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play - great, could add some additional tension when the clock gets to 0.

a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area - in relation to the above - makes sense.

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by Handsome Man » 19 Jun 2017 13:16

Stranded wrote:Actually all seem pretty reasonable to me.

Quite like the idea of the halves being 30mins and stopping the clock. Would probably end up having more playing time than we do now.


The last five minutes of the game are the most exciting thing in the world and this is partially because you never know when the final whistle will blow. Why spoil that?

Rule number 1 for anybody considering rules changes must be to remember that rugby is rubbush

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Platypuss » 19 Jun 2017 13:20

Stranded wrote:a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area - in relation to the above - makes sense.


This is the only one I have a real issue with - a penalty is really just a freekick and the attacking team should have more of an advantage, not less. Just enforce the existing encroachment rules better.

And stop goalies moving off the line before the ball is struck. No excuses for letting them get away with it.


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by Handsome Man » 19 Jun 2017 13:23

Stranded wrote:passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick - makes sense, quick restart to a game, could benefit the attacking team

a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch - no problem here, everyone knows how long to go.

allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving - no big deal

a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on - would stop keepers taking the ball to the other side to waste time, so fair enough

a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball - think we'd all agree with this

a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card - no problem there

a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty - bit tough but hardly happens now anyway, so why not increase the penalty for stupidity

the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line - yep makes sense, no more situations like Suarez in 2010 WC which cost Ghana the game

referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play - great, could add some additional tension when the clock gets to 0.

a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area - in relation to the above - makes sense.


Why make changes for the sake of it. All of the changes solve non-existent problems. Anything that makes football more like rugby union can only be a bad thing. There is a very good reason why rugby is followed by people who don't like sport, and that is because rugby is rubbish.

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Stranded » 19 Jun 2017 13:26

Platypuss wrote:
Stranded wrote:a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area - in relation to the above - makes sense.


This is the only one I have a real issue with - a penalty is really just a freekick and the attacking team should have more of an advantage, not less. Just enforce the existing encroachment rules better.

And stop goalies moving off the line before the ball is struck. No excuses for letting them get away with it.


I took it as only relating to penalties took when the clock is at 0. If it is a proposed general change then yeah, not a fan.

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Stranded » 19 Jun 2017 13:27

Handsome Man wrote:
Stranded wrote:passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick - makes sense, quick restart to a game, could benefit the attacking team

a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch - no problem here, everyone knows how long to go.

allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving - no big deal

a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on - would stop keepers taking the ball to the other side to waste time, so fair enough

a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball - think we'd all agree with this

a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card - no problem there

a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty - bit tough but hardly happens now anyway, so why not increase the penalty for stupidity

the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line - yep makes sense, no more situations like Suarez in 2010 WC which cost Ghana the game

referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play - great, could add some additional tension when the clock gets to 0.

a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area - in relation to the above - makes sense.


Why make changes for the sake of it. All of the changes solve non-existent problems. Anything that makes football more like rugby union can only be a bad thing. There is a very good reason why rugby is followed by people who don't like sport, and that is because rugby is rubbish.


Most, if any, won't happen, but if a change improves the game then great. I don't think many people were fans of the backpass rule when it came in but it has improved the game. In fact, I can't think of a change that has come in that has made the game worse.

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Stranded » 19 Jun 2017 13:29

Handsome Man wrote:
Stranded wrote:Actually all seem pretty reasonable to me.

Quite like the idea of the halves being 30mins and stopping the clock. Would probably end up having more playing time than we do now.


The last five minutes of the game are the most exciting thing in the world and this is partially because you never know when the final whistle will blow. Why spoil that?



Wouldn't the excitement just change? Would add some extra pressure on the team losing knowing that time is ticking away and everyone knowing that there is only 30 seconds to go and they need to score now!


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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Hendo » 19 Jun 2017 16:50

Stranded wrote:
a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card - no problem there



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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by BR0B0T » 19 Jun 2017 17:05

change the shape of the penalty area to reflect the % chance
of scoring from that position

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by paultheroyal » 19 Jun 2017 17:12

Hendo wrote:
Stranded wrote:
a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card - no problem there



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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Green » 19 Jun 2017 17:13

BR0B0T wrote:change the shape of the penalty area to reflect the % chance
of scoring from that position

Does such a thing exist? I suspect the area may end up looking rather uneven, something like
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or
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by John Madejski's Wallet » 19 Jun 2017 18:06

Stranded wrote:a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area - in relation to the above - makes sense.

^^^ that is sh*t

Would have absolutely screwed reading last season too! I reckon we'd have actually missed out on the playoffs

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Ian Royal » 19 Jun 2017 18:22

Most are fine, also don't like the penalty one. Not sure on playing on until the ball is out of play.... the ball can stay live in football for a hell of a long time.

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by BR0B0T » 19 Jun 2017 19:14

Green wrote:
BR0B0T wrote:change the shape of the penalty area to reflect the % chance
of scoring from that position

Does such a thing exist? I suspect the area may end up looking rather uneven, something like
Image


just basing it on your pic (not sure what it represents) you
can see areas, where 'no goals have been scored', gets a
penalty and areas where 'lots of goals have been scored'
would only get you a free kick.

Actual facts rather than arbitrary line markings.

Prolly look something like this:

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by CountryRoyal » 19 Jun 2017 20:34

Why don't we just go all out and change the ball to an oval and make a rule that you can only pass backwards.

Goal line technology is bad enough, no to video refereeing and no to this farcical suggestion.

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by West Stand Man » 19 Jun 2017 22:12

Handsome Man wrote:
Stranded wrote:passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick - makes sense, quick restart to a game, could benefit the attacking team

a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch - no problem here, everyone knows how long to go.

allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving - no big deal

a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on - would stop keepers taking the ball to the other side to waste time, so fair enough

a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball - think we'd all agree with this

a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card - no problem there

a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty - bit tough but hardly happens now anyway, so why not increase the penalty for stupidity

the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line - yep makes sense, no more situations like Suarez in 2010 WC which cost Ghana the game

referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play - great, could add some additional tension when the clock gets to 0.

a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area - in relation to the above - makes sense.


Why make changes for the sake of it. All of the changes solve non-existent problems. Anything that makes football more like rugby union can only be a bad thing. There is a very good reason why rugby is followed by people who don't like sport, and that is because rugby is rubbish.


So you would be comfortable with a logic that considered each existing law and looked at what it is there for? A logic that took any law that appeared to be there for its own sake rather than to improve the game and changed or removed it?

You see, that is how this study was carried out. The aim is to remove unnecessary laws and either replace them or leave them out altogether. All sounds pretty good to me.

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by West Stand Man » 19 Jun 2017 22:14

Ian Royal wrote:Most are fine, also don't like the penalty one. Not sure on playing on until the ball is out of play.... the ball can stay live in football for a hell of a long time.



Once the wining team knows that time is up they will do all they can to get the ball out of play.

If it is a draw then both teams may continue playing but that is a good thing, surely?

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Re: More possible FIFA fiddling to ruin the game

by Stranded » 20 Jun 2017 07:48

West Stand Man wrote:
Ian Royal wrote:Most are fine, also don't like the penalty one. Not sure on playing on until the ball is out of play.... the ball can stay live in football for a hell of a long time.



Once the wining team knows that time is up they will do all they can to get the ball out of play.

If it is a draw then both teams may continue playing but that is a good thing, surely?


Quite. Team A is losing 1-0 in the cup final and have spent the last 2 mins with the centre back playing as an emergency striker so they can lump the ball in from anywhere. Clock hits 0 and they have the ball. They now know they have to keep the ball, try and pull the opposition out and look to create a chance rather than just putting it in the mixer.

The opposition know that as soon as they get the ball they can kick it out and have won, so is likely that even in the most disciplined team, someone will take a change to nick the ball they normally wouldn't, which could create space, give away a free kick in a dangerous position. Could be very exciting and means we would still have the aspect of not knowing how long is left in a game that some seem loath to lose.

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