by what_wind_turbine? » 02 Mar 2018 13:37
what_wind_turbine? As much as anything, I think the issue is with referees in football being scared of perceived culpability. Knowing they will be blamed for any decision that isn't comprehensively correct - hence why they are overusing VAR as a resource to make almost every decision.
As a comparitor, in rugby, a decision can be reviewed, usually accompanied by the ref asking, for example, "Is there any reason I can't award a try". A decision has been made, and unless there is a reason to deviate from that decision, it will be taken. The referee's decision is respected, and so the TMO can be used as a resource.
Similarly, 50/50 decisions on an LBW in cricket are based upon umpire's call. The assumption is the decision is correct unless it is conclusively not.
On the other hand, a referee in football knows that their decisions are not respected. Every decision is argued, abused, they will be harangued. That's why VAR is probably, sadly, doomed to fail. VAR should be the introduction that drags football into the 21st century, but endemic cuntishness from the players/fans won't let it succeed.
by Greatwesternline » 02 Mar 2018 16:17
by From Despair To Where? » 02 Mar 2018 18:30
Greatwesternline If you can't go mad when you score a goal because it might be chalked off the joy of football has gone.
I therefore think VAR is a terrible idea.
SanguineGreatwesternline If you can't go mad when you score a goal because it might be chalked off the joy of football has gone.
I therefore think VAR is a terrible idea.
That's ridiculous. You can still go mad. If a goal is chalked off by VAR then it will (once the system is ironed out) be rightly so. How and why that would stop fans celebrating when it hits the net I don't know.
Hoop BlahSanguineGreatwesternline If you can't go mad when you score a goal because it might be chalked off the joy of football has gone.
I therefore think VAR is a terrible idea.
That's ridiculous. You can still go mad. If a goal is chalked off by VAR then it will (once the system is ironed out) be rightly so. How and why that would stop fans celebrating when it hits the net I don't know.
It depends how many goals end up being chalked off doesn't it? Or how fans perceive it at least. If there's a decent chance a goal is going to be disallowed then naturally you're celebration is going to become a bit more muted over time.
by John Madejski's Wallet » 05 Mar 2018 11:24
by Greatwesternline » 05 Mar 2018 11:43
SanguineGreatwesternline If you can't go mad when you score a goal because it might be chalked off the joy of football has gone.
I therefore think VAR is a terrible idea.
That's ridiculous. You can still go mad. If a goal is chalked off by VAR then it will (once the system is ironed out) be rightly so. How and why that would stop fans celebrating when it hits the net I don't know.
GreatwesternlineSanguineGreatwesternline If you can't go mad when you score a goal because it might be chalked off the joy of football has gone.
I therefore think VAR is a terrible idea.
That's ridiculous. You can still go mad. If a goal is chalked off by VAR then it will (once the system is ironed out) be rightly so. How and why that would stop fans celebrating when it hits the net I don't know.
Every goal that involves a through ball with a player on the edge of the line of the last man. Every goal from a corner, think how many goals will be ruled out for shirt puling.
Every goal from a free kick swung in where every player stands on the edge of the last man.
Those cover most goals. Not that many goals actually come from open play where there is no question of offside being an issue.
Hoop Blah I was watching BT's Premier League chat programme after the game on Saturday night and they said that there were issues at the Confederation Cup with their version of VAR. Anyone know what happened there?
Sanguine It's not obtuse, and it's ridiculous. I'm saying that the notion that even a small minority of fans in the ground will be nervously looking at the officials instead of going crazy when a goal goes is silly.
VAR as a technology is great. It isn't yet being used properly. VAR should not have been used for Spurs' goal against Rochdale. Eliminate misuse of the system and for the most part you eliminate all of the controversy about VAR so far. As has already been discussed, the VAR's role in the example of the Spurs goal should have been to check the video (in the background, without communicating with the referee) and conclude that no obvious error had been made. Simple, and the fans wouldn't even have known it was going on.
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What if Aguero's title-winning goal had to be checked by VAR and then subsequently the goal was given anyway? It would've completely ruined an iconic moment.
Sanguine VAR as a technology is great. It isn't yet being used properly. VAR should not have been used for Spurs' goal against Rochdale.
Sanguine Eliminate misuse of the system and for the most part you eliminate all of the controversy about VAR so far. As has already been discussed, the VAR's role in the example of the Spurs goal should have been to check the video (in the background, without communicating with the referee) and conclude that no obvious error had been made. Simple, and the fans wouldn't even have known it was going on.
Sanguine On what basis - when the system is working properly - would it have been checked?
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What if Aguero's title-winning goal had to be checked by VAR and then subsequently the goal was given anyway? It would've completely ruined an iconic moment.
On what basis - when the system is working properly - would it have been checked?
And do you really think, having been behind in injury time, needing a win to take the title, there is anything at all that might have stopped 50,000 City fans going absolutely fcuking mental as the ball hit the back of the net?
There is no 'slippery slope' is the system is used correctly.
by Snowflake Royal » 05 Mar 2018 13:41
GreatwesternlineSanguineGreatwesternline If you can't go mad when you score a goal because it might be chalked off the joy of football has gone.
I therefore think VAR is a terrible idea.
That's ridiculous. You can still go mad. If a goal is chalked off by VAR then it will (once the system is ironed out) be rightly so. How and why that would stop fans celebrating when it hits the net I don't know.
Every goal that involves a through ball with a player on the edge of the line of the last man. Every goal from a corner, think how many goals will be ruled out for shirt puling.
Every goal from a free kick swung in where every player stands on the edge of the last man.
Those cover most goals. Not that many goals actually come from open play where there is no question of offside being an issue.
by Jack Celliers » 27 Mar 2018 22:01
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