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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 22 Oct 2018 15:20

McDermolenko wrote:Incredibly random but is Courtney serving the longest notice period known to man or is he now sticking to his job at the Chronicle? From memory he was supposed to have left in July?


He has officially left but uses his press accreditation to get in the ground for free, he is a crook really. He tries to pass himself off as freelance.

He is just a freelance bellend.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Hendo » 22 Oct 2018 15:29

Sutekh wrote:Honestly think that anyone with a little common sense could do better than what passes for journalism these days. Media either sensationalises a load a trivial nothingness or fails to give balanced arguments for what is being reported.


Gotta get them clicks.

I was actually discussing with Mrs Hendo at the weekend how, when I was at collage, I wanted to go to uni to be a sports journalist.

Looking at the state of the industry today and what garbage is being produced, I am glad I didn't pursue.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by McDermolenko » 22 Oct 2018 15:55

Old Man Andrews wrote:
McDermolenko wrote:Incredibly random but is Courtney serving the longest notice period known to man or is he now sticking to his job at the Chronicle? From memory he was supposed to have left in July?


He has officially left but uses his press accreditation to get in the ground for free, he is a crook really. He tries to pass himself off as freelance.

He is just a freelance bellend.


He published a report for the Chronicle today, though? Surely not the case, unless they’re that desperate for a reporter that he’s working on a freelance basis for them as you’re suggesting?

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by muirinho » 22 Oct 2018 16:11

McDermolenko wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
McDermolenko wrote:Incredibly random but is Courtney serving the longest notice period known to man or is he now sticking to his job at the Chronicle? From memory he was supposed to have left in July?


He has officially left but uses his press accreditation to get in the ground for free, he is a crook really. He tries to pass himself off as freelance.

He is just a freelance bellend.


He published a report for the Chronicle today, though? Surely not the case, unless they’re that desperate for a reporter that he’s working on a freelance basis for them as you’re suggesting?


If he's a freelance, occasionally doing extra reporting for the Chronicle, then he's entitled to press accreditation for the games he's asked to cover.

Bit much suggesting he's a crook.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 22 Oct 2018 16:11

McDermolenko wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
McDermolenko wrote:Incredibly random but is Courtney serving the longest notice period known to man or is he now sticking to his job at the Chronicle? From memory he was supposed to have left in July?


He has officially left but uses his press accreditation to get in the ground for free, he is a crook really. He tries to pass himself off as freelance.

He is just a freelance bellend.


He published a report for the Chronicle today, though? Surely not the case, unless they’re that desperate for a reporter that he’s working on a freelance basis for them as you’re suggesting?


I believe they are that desperate yes.


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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by sandman » 26 Nov 2018 11:10

Surprised Low's "so called fans" comment on Gunter and Aluko getting "booed" haven't made it on here.

https://www.football.london/reading-fc/loaders-league-debut-boos-gunter-15462194

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 26 Nov 2018 11:21

sandman wrote:Surprised Low's "so called fans" comment on Gunter and Aluko getting "booed" haven't made it on here.

https://www.football.london/reading-fc/loaders-league-debut-boos-gunter-15462194


Good spot. I think you have to read his articles to realise that kind of thing is there, I try to avoid any opinion piece he does because it numbs my brain.

He is clearly clueless and has no idea how football or football supporters work, booing and jeering has gone on since the very first football match and will continue. Jonathan Low is a weedy little bloke who clearly cannot bear the slightest conflict. He has no place reporting on the club but he is probably cheap.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by muirinho » 26 Nov 2018 11:33

Old Man Andrews wrote:
sandman wrote:Surprised Low's "so called fans" comment on Gunter and Aluko getting "booed" haven't made it on here.

https://www.football.london/reading-fc/loaders-league-debut-boos-gunter-15462194


Good spot. I think you have to read his articles to realise that kind of thing is there, I try to avoid any opinion piece he does because it numbs my brain.

He is clearly clueless and has no idea how football or football supporters work, booing and jeering has gone on since the very first football match and will continue. Jonathan Low is a weedy little bloke who clearly cannot bear the slightest conflict. He has no place reporting on the club but he is probably cheap.


If he was such a weedy bloke, he wouldn't have picked a fight with the "so called fans".
As any sensible journalist working for an organisation who relies on clicks to make any money at all would do, he's naturally trying to stir up interest and controversy - that's his job.
Personally I think any "fan" who wants one of their own players sent off is thick as mince, but it takes all sorts I suppose.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 26 Nov 2018 11:37

muirinho wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
sandman wrote:Surprised Low's "so called fans" comment on Gunter and Aluko getting "booed" haven't made it on here.

https://www.football.london/reading-fc/loaders-league-debut-boos-gunter-15462194


Good spot. I think you have to read his articles to realise that kind of thing is there, I try to avoid any opinion piece he does because it numbs my brain.

He is clearly clueless and has no idea how football or football supporters work, booing and jeering has gone on since the very first football match and will continue. Jonathan Low is a weedy little bloke who clearly cannot bear the slightest conflict. He has no place reporting on the club but he is probably cheap.


If he was such a weedy bloke, he wouldn't have picked a fight with the "so called fans".
As any sensible journalist working for an organisation who relies on clicks to make any money at all would do, he's naturally trying to stir up interest and controversy - that's his job.
Personally I think any "fan" who wants one of their own players sent off is thick as mince, but it takes all sorts I suppose.


The rights or wrongs of booing and jeering are neither here or there it is the fact he used the term "so called fans". He should be sacked immediately.

No shock we have a case of one weedy bloke defending another weedy bloke here. You were the person who promoted a petition to stop swearing at football matches............... Doesn't get much weaker than that.


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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by muirinho » 26 Nov 2018 11:48

Old Man Andrews wrote:
muirinho wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
Good spot. I think you have to read his articles to realise that kind of thing is there, I try to avoid any opinion piece he does because it numbs my brain.

He is clearly clueless and has no idea how football or football supporters work, booing and jeering has gone on since the very first football match and will continue. Jonathan Low is a weedy little bloke who clearly cannot bear the slightest conflict. He has no place reporting on the club but he is probably cheap.


If he was such a weedy bloke, he wouldn't have picked a fight with the "so called fans".
As any sensible journalist working for an organisation who relies on clicks to make any money at all would do, he's naturally trying to stir up interest and controversy - that's his job.
Personally I think any "fan" who wants one of their own players sent off is thick as mince, but it takes all sorts I suppose.


The rights or wrongs of booing and jeering are neither here or there it is the fact he used the term "so called fans". He should be sacked immediately.

No shock we have a case of one weedy bloke defending another weedy bloke here. You were the person who promoted a petition to stop swearing at football matches............... Doesn't get much weaker than that.


Homophobic chanting, not swearing - get your facts right. That you think that's "weedy" says more about you than it does about me.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 26 Nov 2018 11:51

muirinho wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
muirinho wrote:
If he was such a weedy bloke, he wouldn't have picked a fight with the "so called fans".
As any sensible journalist working for an organisation who relies on clicks to make any money at all would do, he's naturally trying to stir up interest and controversy - that's his job.
Personally I think any "fan" who wants one of their own players sent off is thick as mince, but it takes all sorts I suppose.


The rights or wrongs of booing and jeering are neither here or there it is the fact he used the term "so called fans". He should be sacked immediately.

No shock we have a case of one weedy bloke defending another weedy bloke here. You were the person who promoted a petition to stop swearing at football matches............... Doesn't get much weaker than that.


Homophobic chanting, not swearing - get your facts right. That you think that's "weedy" says more about you than it does about me.


Jonathan Low stated that supporters were booing Gunter and Aluko and asking for them to be off the pitch. Deal with the issue in hand. You are referring to comments made previously which were rightly greeted with horror from any sane Reading supporter.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by muirinho » 26 Nov 2018 11:55

Old Man Andrews wrote:
muirinho wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
The rights or wrongs of booing and jeering are neither here or there it is the fact he used the term "so called fans". He should be sacked immediately.

No shock we have a case of one weedy bloke defending another weedy bloke here. You were the person who promoted a petition to stop swearing at football matches............... Doesn't get much weaker than that.


Homophobic chanting, not swearing - get your facts right. That you think that's "weedy" says more about you than it does about me.


Jonathan Low stated that supporters were booing Gunter and Aluko and asking for them to be off the pitch. Deal with the issue in hand. You are referring to comments made previously which were rightly greeted with horror from any sane Reading supporter.


Wasn't talking in that case about this particular game - I meant what I was objecting to on twitter was homophobic chanting at games. Not swearing.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Hound » 07 Dec 2018 14:32

my favourite, Russell Kempson has understood how relegation works:

'Royals hover dangerously above the relegation zone this season – out of it on goal difference – and, let’s face it, they avoided the drop last term only because there were three teams worse than them.'


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by Tilehurstsouthbank » 07 Dec 2018 16:06

Hound wrote:my favourite, Russell Kempson has understood how relegation works:

'Royals hover dangerously above the relegation zone this season – out of it on goal difference – and, let’s face it, they avoided the drop last term only because there were three teams worse than them.'


He's such a miserable oxf*rd!

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by sandman » 07 Dec 2018 16:27

Can we include the Tilehurst End on this? I'm sure they're trying their best but it's not as good since Wimb went, specifically the podcast.

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by Old Man Andrews » 07 Dec 2018 16:29

sandman wrote:Can we include the Tilehurst End on this? I'm sure they're trying their best but it's not as good since Wimb went, specifically the podcast.


It is now run by the Milky Bar Kid, he is an awful human being and pretty much sums up modern society. He is a really weak and limp bloke, awful writer too.

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by genome » 07 Dec 2018 23:53

Ease up OMA :lol: That might be going a little too far.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by muirinho » 08 Dec 2018 12:45

genome wrote:Ease up OMA :lol: That might be going a little too far.


Well it's OMA, so excessive bile is the norm.

Podcasts (which btw, usually aren't done by the TTE editor) aren't always as good as they were with Wimb, that's true. But Wimb was exceptionally good - in comparison to other fan-led podcasts and blogs, TTE certainly holds its own.
(No disrespect to Tom Crocker, but they were better with Charlie Watts in there also)

But the thing with the TTE generally is - if you don't like their output, why not submit your own? They are always looking for content.

Much easier to snipe from the sidelines of course, then stick your head above the parapet by getting involved.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Wimb » 09 Dec 2018 07:59

muirinho wrote:
genome wrote:Ease up OMA :lol: That might be going a little too far.


Well it's OMA, so excessive bile is the norm.

Podcasts (which btw, usually aren't done by the TTE editor) aren't always as good as they were with Wimb, that's true. But Wimb was exceptionally good - in comparison to other fan-led podcasts and blogs, TTE certainly holds its own.
(No disrespect to Tom Crocker, but they were better with Charlie Watts in there also)

But the thing with the TTE generally is - if you don't like their output, why not submit your own? They are always looking for content.

Much easier to snipe from the sidelines of course, then stick your head above the parapet by getting involved.


Cheers for the kind words, your fivers are in the post ;)

If I didn't have a young daughter, a full-time job and maybe/hopefully a return to The Royal Exchange one day, I'd still love to be doing the show, hopefully I'll sneak back on for a guest spot once in a while.

Running TTE is an thankless task most of the time and one that isn't helped when people snipe at the content or the quality. It becomes even harder to motivate yourself when you read personal pops towards you, when you've given up free time for basically no financial incentive, just to provide a platform and information service for fans.

The podcast is a similar labour of love. To do it properly you need time to research and plan, plus an environment to record and willing guests who can fit around your schedule. I was lucky for many years to have all of those things but people get older/move/have kids/lose interest in the club and suddenly it's that much harder to do it to a top standard.

Marc and Olly are doing a fine job keeping things going and will both get even better as time goes on.

As Muirinho said, why not volunteer your time? Even 1 article a month makes a big difference. If 5/6 fans suddenly gave up their time to do the same it really would step up the content level. Likewise, if you're someone that's got a fair bit of free time and you don't mind editing, why not volunteer to help behind the scenes?

You only need to take a look at Elm Park Royals and how their fan website content died in very quick fashion to understand how tricky it is to keep churning out good, well written content. Fair play to Paul, he seems to have found his niche in 'unedited' podcasts/vodcasts but he quickly discovered how tough it is to run a website largely on your own.

There's a reason things like The Whiff die off and it has little to do with the quality of the product. Without a constant flow of new blood and/or financial investment to keep people around you're always fighting an uphill battle. It's the same with the Chronicle/Get Reading. There's a reason they can't keep top journalists around and I mean no disrespect to any of the guys and girls working there who are likewise doing their best in tough conditions.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by The Royal Forester » 09 Dec 2018 17:55

Wimb wrote:
muirinho wrote:
genome wrote:Ease up OMA :lol: That might be going a little too far.


Well it's OMA, so excessive bile is the norm.

Podcasts (which btw, usually aren't done by the TTE editor) aren't always as good as they were with Wimb, that's true. But Wimb was exceptionally good - in comparison to other fan-led podcasts and blogs, TTE certainly holds its own.
(No disrespect to Tom Crocker, but they were better with Charlie Watts in there also)

But the thing with the TTE generally is - if you don't like their output, why not submit your own? They are always looking for content.

Much easier to snipe from the sidelines of course, then stick your head above the parapet by getting involved.


Cheers for the kind words, your fivers are in the post ;)

If I didn't have a young daughter, a full-time job and maybe/hopefully a return to The Royal Exchange one day, I'd still love to be doing the show, hopefully I'll sneak back on for a guest spot once in a while.

Running TTE is an thankless task most of the time and one that isn't helped when people snipe at the content or the quality. It becomes even harder to motivate yourself when you read personal pops towards you, when you've given up free time for basically no financial incentive, just to provide a platform and information service for fans.

The podcast is a similar labour of love. To do it properly you need time to research and plan, plus an environment to record and willing guests who can fit around your schedule. I was lucky for many years to have all of those things but people get older/move/have kids/lose interest in the club and suddenly it's that much harder to do it to a top standard.

Marc and Olly are doing a fine job keeping things going and will both get even better as time goes on.

As Muirinho said, why not volunteer your time? Even 1 article a month makes a big difference. If 5/6 fans suddenly gave up their time to do the same it really would step up the content level. Likewise, if you're someone that's got a fair bit of free time and you don't mind editing, why not volunteer to help behind the scenes?

You only need to take a look at Elm Park Royals and how their fan website content died in very quick fashion to understand how tricky it is to keep churning out good, well written content. Fair play to Paul, he seems to have found his niche in 'unedited' podcasts/vodcasts but he quickly discovered how tough it is to run a website largely on your own.

There's a reason things like The Whiff die off and it has little to do with the quality of the product. Without a constant flow of new blood and/or financial investment to keep people around you're always fighting an uphill battle. It's the same with the Chronicle/Get Reading. There's a reason they can't keep top journalists around and I mean no disrespect to any of the guys and girls working there who are likewise doing their best in tough conditions.


So, what you are saying is "If you moan about what you see, come and see if you can do better"?

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