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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Sutekh » 20 Oct 2018 12:20

Snowflake Royal wrote:
Dr_Hfuhruhurr wrote:
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But who has that would be available?
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Well to use Horse Racing parlance, Parkinson is 'Exposed' - he's had plenty of experience around this level and his limit is well known. If you want to replace Clement, which I dont particularly (not yet) you could choose somebody who is 'unexposed' if you cant think of somebody who operates at the level of the top half of the Championship.

How did 'unexposed' work with Clarke, Stam and Clement?

Isn't this only Parky's third season at this level?

20 odd games at Hull too early in his career and a very successful last season with Bolton... am I missing some?


Think also he had about half a season failing to keep Charlton up but then it would have been when Charlton were in a desperate state financially and/or behind the scenes (so any time in the last 15 years then).

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Dr_Hfuhruhurr » 21 Oct 2018 06:18

Snowflake Royal wrote:
Dr_Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Victor Meldrew wrote:
But who has that would be available?
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Well to use Horse Racing parlance, Parkinson is 'Exposed' - he's had plenty of experience around this level and his limit is well known. If you want to replace Clement, which I dont particularly (not yet) you could choose somebody who is 'unexposed' if you cant think of somebody who operates at the level of the top half of the Championship.

How did 'unexposed' work with Clarke, Stam and Clement?

Isn't this only Parky's third season at this level?

20 odd games at Hull too early in his career and a very successful last season with Bolton... am I missing some?


Colchester - Undoubted good spell in charge. Gets them promoted from Division 1 but leaves before he can manage them in the Championship
Hull - A bit rubbish all round, really. Looks out of his depth
Charlton - Mostly assistant manager, but has a spell as caretaker manager. Doesnt win a game, Relegated.
Bradford - Two good cup runs. Fan favourite. Consistently top ten in Division 1. Doesnt get them promoted, though.
Bolton - Promoted from Division 1. Barely get out of bottom six all season in championship.

He's been doing this nearly 15 years now and youd be hard pressed to find any manager with more evidence of finishing somewhere between 35th and 50th in the country. We need to be aiming 10 places higher than that.

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Snowflake Royal » 21 Oct 2018 08:54

You were talking about management exposure at Championship level, you can't bring time as an assistant manager or League 1 / 2 into that.

You've taken no account of club circumstance. Colchester, Bradford and Bolton were all very successful jobs for Parky yet you seem to want to put the mist negative spin possible on them. Only Hull was a real failure - a step too far too soon, with Charlton a disapointment. But then almost all managers have the odd unsuccessful appointment.

He's consistently achieved good win rates at most teams and keeping Bolton up was a huge achievement.

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Zip » 21 Oct 2018 10:25

Snowflake Royal wrote:You were talking about management exposure at Championship level, you can't bring time as an assistant manager or League 1 / 2 into that.

You've taken no account of club circumstance. Colchester, Bradford and Bolton were all very successful jobs for Parky yet you seem to want to put the mist negative spin possible on them. Only Hull was a real failure - a step too far too soon, with Charlton a disapointment. But then almost all managers have the odd unsuccessful appointment.

He's consistently achieved good win rates at most teams and keeping Bolton up was a huge achievement.


Spot on.

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Mid Sussex Royal » 21 Oct 2018 12:56

Snowflake Royal wrote:You were talking about management exposure at Championship level, you can't bring time as an assistant manager or League 1 / 2 into that.

You've taken no account of club circumstance. Colchester, Bradford and Bolton were all very successful jobs for Parky yet you seem to want to put the mist negative spin possible on them. Only Hull was a real failure - a step too far too soon, with Charlton a disapointment. But then almost all managers have the odd unsuccessful appointment.

He's consistently achieved good win rates at most teams and keeping Bolton up was a huge achievement.


So why in 15 odd years of management hasn't a club higher than bottom championship level, and looking for a cheap option, ever come in for him?

On the plus side he is good at getting the best out of players with limited ability and moulding them into an effective team unit but in a style which I wouldn't particularly enjoy watching but I accept that's just my preference. He would also get the crowd going for a bit, but a couple of home defeats and it would all soon go flat like McDermott's second spell.

I am not sure how effective he would be at Reading as 1) the players are in the main under performing rather than having limited ability and that's a big difference 2) he would be given money to spend - which is different to any other club he has been at - I have doubts about how that would work out 3) Most of the players have been brought to the club to play a certain type of way which is not, on the evidence of what I've seen in our games Vs Bolton and Bradford in the cup, his way of playing so it will take the current players time to buy in to it.

If we are going to go that route there are better managers out there than Parky at this level - sorry.


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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Victor Meldrew » 21 Oct 2018 19:49

Mid Sussex Royal wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:You were talking about management exposure at Championship level, you can't bring time as an assistant manager or League 1 / 2 into that.

You've taken no account of club circumstance. Colchester, Bradford and Bolton were all very successful jobs for Parky yet you seem to want to put the mist negative spin possible on them. Only Hull was a real failure - a step too far too soon, with Charlton a disapointment. But then almost all managers have the odd unsuccessful appointment.

He's consistently achieved good win rates at most teams and keeping Bolton up was a huge achievement.


So why in 15 odd years of management hasn't a club higher than bottom championship level, and looking for a cheap option, ever come in for him?

On the plus side he is good at getting the best out of players with limited ability and moulding them into an effective team unit but in a style which I wouldn't particularly enjoy watching but I accept that's just my preference. He would also get the crowd going for a bit, but a couple of home defeats and it would all soon go flat like McDermott's second spell.

I am not sure how effective he would be at Reading as 1) the players are in the main under performing rather than having limited ability and that's a big difference 2) he would be given money to spend - which is different to any other club he has been at - I have doubts about how that would work out 3) Most of the players have been brought to the club to play a certain type of way which is not, on the evidence of what I've seen in our games Vs Bolton and Bradford in the cup, his way of playing so it will take the current players time to buy in to it.

If we are going to go that route there are better managers out there than Parky at this level - sorry.


As I asked earlier, who?

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Snowflake Royal » 21 Oct 2018 22:45

Mid Sussex Royal wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:You were talking about management exposure at Championship level, you can't bring time as an assistant manager or League 1 / 2 into that.

You've taken no account of club circumstance. Colchester, Bradford and Bolton were all very successful jobs for Parky yet you seem to want to put the mist negative spin possible on them. Only Hull was a real failure - a step too far too soon, with Charlton a disapointment. But then almost all managers have the odd unsuccessful appointment.

He's consistently achieved good win rates at most teams and keeping Bolton up was a huge achievement.


So why in 15 odd years of management hasn't a club higher than bottom championship level, and looking for a cheap option, ever come in for him?

On the plus side he is good at getting the best out of players with limited ability and moulding them into an effective team unit but in a style which I wouldn't particularly enjoy watching but I accept that's just my preference. He would also get the crowd going for a bit, but a couple of home defeats and it would all soon go flat like McDermott's second spell.

I am not sure how effective he would be at Reading as 1) the players are in the main under performing rather than having limited ability and that's a big difference 2) he would be given money to spend - which is different to any other club he has been at - I have doubts about how that would work out 3) Most of the players have been brought to the club to play a certain type of way which is not, on the evidence of what I've seen in our games Vs Bolton and Bradford in the cup, his way of playing so it will take the current players time to buy in to it.

If we are going to go that route there are better managers out there than Parky at this level - sorry.


Firstly, you seem to be working on the assumption we're better than bottom Championship level, we're not. Secondly, his career has progressed somewhat over 15 years and after Clement is coinciding with the point where Parky's ready to move on to better than League One. Two years ago, he clearly wasn't ready to manage at the level we were at and working towards. He's now proving he is for our current station. So whether he's been given a chance in the past is irrelevant.

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by John Smith » 22 Oct 2018 10:02

Snowflake Royal wrote:Firstly, you seem to be working on the assumption we're better than bottom Championship level, we're not.

Yes we are. It's not 1993 anymore

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by 72 bus » 22 Oct 2018 10:28

John Smith wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:Firstly, you seem to be working on the assumption we're better than bottom Championship level, we're not.

Yes we are. It's not 1993 anymore


Have you looked at the League table recently ?


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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Zip » 22 Oct 2018 10:45

72 bus wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:Firstly, you seem to be working on the assumption we're better than bottom Championship level, we're not.

Yes we are. It's not 1993 anymore


Have you looked at the League table recently ?


Indeed and seen us play.....

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by WoodleyRoyal » 22 Oct 2018 14:00

and Bolton are a bigger club than us... anyone who says any different is daft

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by John Smith » 22 Oct 2018 14:01

WoodleyRoyal wrote:and Bolton are a bigger club than us...

I'm all for a bit of what you might call 'banter' but am drawing the line at that. Please stop.

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by WoodleyRoyal » 22 Oct 2018 15:03

John Smith wrote:
WoodleyRoyal wrote:and Bolton are a bigger club than us...

I'm all for a bit of what you might call 'banter' but am drawing the line at that. Please stop.


Really? they have spent 73 seasons in top-flight English football FFS. and only 13 in league 1 and 2 combined.
They have won the FA cup 4 times runners-up 3 times, and semi-finalists 7 times.
Their average attendances in league one have been around the 15/16 thousand - I can tell you no oxf*rd way are we getting even close to that if we went down.
They are currently higher than us in the table. Tell me why exactly are they not bigger than us?

Football League
Second Division/Championship
Champions: 1908–09, 1977–78, 1996–97
Runners-up: 1899–1900, 1904–05, 1910–11, 1934–35
Play-off Winners: 1995, 2001
Play-off Runners-up: 1999
Play-off Semi-finalists: 2000

Third Division/League One
Champions: 1972–73
Runners-up: 1992–93, 2016–17
Play-off Runners-up: 1991
Play-off Semi-finalists: 1990
Fourth Division/League Two
Third: 1987–88
Overall League Performance

Division 1/Premier League: 1888–1899, 1900–1903, 1905–1908, 1909–1910, 1911–1933, 1935–1964, 1978–1980, 1995–1996, 1997–1998, 2001–2012 (73 seasons)
Division 2/Championship: 1899–1900, 1903–1905, 1908–1909, 1910–1911, 1933–1935, 1964–1971, 1973–1978, 1980–1983, 1993–1995, 1996–1997, 1998–2001, 2012–2016 (30 seasons)
Division 3/League 1: 1971–1973, 1983–1987, 1988–1993, 2016–17 (12 seasons)
Division 4/League 2: 1987–1988 (1 season)

FA Cup
Winners: 1923, 1926, 1929, 1958
Runners-up: 1894, 1904, 1953
Semi-finalists: 1889, 1896, 1915, 1935, 1946, 2000, 2011


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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by leon » 22 Oct 2018 17:08

WoodleyRoyal wrote:
John Smith wrote:
WoodleyRoyal wrote:and Bolton are a bigger club than us...

I'm all for a bit of what you might call 'banter' but am drawing the line at that. Please stop.


Really? they have spent 73 seasons in top-flight English football FFS. and only 13 in league 1 and 2 combined.
They have won the FA cup 4 times runners-up 3 times, and semi-finalists 7 times.
Their average attendances in league one have been around the 15/16 thousand - I can tell you no oxf*rd way are we getting even close to that if we went down.
They are currently higher than us in the table. Tell me why exactly are they not bigger than us?

Football League
Second Division/Championship
Champions: 1908–09, 1977–78, 1996–97
Runners-up: 1899–1900, 1904–05, 1910–11, 1934–35
Play-off Winners: 1995, 2001
Play-off Runners-up: 1999
Play-off Semi-finalists: 2000

Third Division/League One
Champions: 1972–73
Runners-up: 1992–93, 2016–17
Play-off Runners-up: 1991
Play-off Semi-finalists: 1990
Fourth Division/League Two
Third: 1987–88
Overall League Performance

Division 1/Premier League: 1888–1899, 1900–1903, 1905–1908, 1909–1910, 1911–1933, 1935–1964, 1978–1980, 1995–1996, 1997–1998, 2001–2012 (73 seasons)
Division 2/Championship: 1899–1900, 1903–1905, 1908–1909, 1910–1911, 1933–1935, 1964–1971, 1973–1978, 1980–1983, 1993–1995, 1996–1997, 1998–2001, 2012–2016 (30 seasons)
Division 3/League 1: 1971–1973, 1983–1987, 1988–1993, 2016–17 (12 seasons)
Division 4/League 2: 1987–1988 (1 season)

FA Cup
Winners: 1923, 1926, 1929, 1958
Runners-up: 1894, 1904, 1953
Semi-finalists: 1889, 1896, 1915, 1935, 1946, 2000, 2011


3 X FA Cup winners almost 100 years ago?

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Snowflake Royal » 22 Oct 2018 17:34

John Smith wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:Firstly, you seem to be working on the assumption we're better than bottom Championship level, we're not.

Yes we are. It's not 1993 anymore

I know it's not 1993, I'm aware it's 2018, whilst you don't seem to have moved on from 2013. Three out of four seasons in the bottom 7, with another looking likely chump. That's our level now.

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by muirinho » 22 Oct 2018 17:34

WoodleyRoyal wrote:
John Smith wrote:
WoodleyRoyal wrote:and Bolton are a bigger club than us...

I'm all for a bit of what you might call 'banter' but am drawing the line at that. Please stop.


Really? they have spent 73 seasons in top-flight English football FFS. and only 13 in league 1 and 2 combined.
They have won the FA cup 4 times runners-up 3 times, and semi-finalists 7 times.
Their average attendances in league one have been around the 15/16 thousand - I can tell you no oxf*rd way are we getting even close to that if we went down.
They are currently higher than us in the table. Tell me why exactly are they not bigger than us?

Football League
Second Division/Championship
Champions: 1908–09, 1977–78, 1996–97
Runners-up: 1899–1900, 1904–05, 1910–11, 1934–35
Play-off Winners: 1995, 2001
Play-off Runners-up: 1999
Play-off Semi-finalists: 2000

Third Division/League One
Champions: 1972–73
Runners-up: 1992–93, 2016–17
Play-off Runners-up: 1991
Play-off Semi-finalists: 1990
Fourth Division/League Two
Third: 1987–88
Overall League Performance

Division 1/Premier League: 1888–1899, 1900–1903, 1905–1908, 1909–1910, 1911–1933, 1935–1964, 1978–1980, 1995–1996, 1997–1998, 2001–2012 (73 seasons)
Division 2/Championship: 1899–1900, 1903–1905, 1908–1909, 1910–1911, 1933–1935, 1964–1971, 1973–1978, 1980–1983, 1993–1995, 1996–1997, 1998–2001, 2012–2016 (30 seasons)
Division 3/League 1: 1971–1973, 1983–1987, 1988–1993, 2016–17 (12 seasons)
Division 4/League 2: 1987–1988 (1 season)

FA Cup
Winners: 1923, 1926, 1929, 1958
Runners-up: 1894, 1904, 1953
Semi-finalists: 1889, 1896, 1915, 1935, 1946, 2000, 2011


Quoting stats from more than 25 years ago to decide what is a bigger club now is a bit daft, tbh. Having said that, even if you're just looking back over 20-25 years, they are more successful than we are.

Reading being more attractive than Bolton (if it is!) is down to (a) location, (b) training facilities and the academy, and (c) transfer money to spend.

i.e., there's not a lot in it

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by John Smith » 22 Oct 2018 17:36

Snowflake Royal wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:Firstly, you seem to be working on the assumption we're better than bottom Championship level, we're not.

Yes we are. It's not 1993 anymore

I know it's not 1993, I'm aware it's 2018, whilst you don't seem to have moved on from 2013. Three out of four seasons in the bottom 7, with another looking likely chump. That's our level now.

oxf*rd off you prick

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by 72 bus » 22 Oct 2018 17:41

WoodleyRoyal wrote:
John Smith wrote:
WoodleyRoyal wrote:and Bolton are a bigger club than us...

I'm all for a bit of what you might call 'banter' but am drawing the line at that. Please stop.


Really? they have spent 73 seasons in top-flight English football FFS. and only 13 in league 1 and 2 combined.
They have won the FA cup 4 times runners-up 3 times, and semi-finalists 7 times.
Their average attendances in league one have been around the 15/16 thousand - I can tell you no oxf*rd way are we getting even close to that if we went down.
They are currently higher than us in the table. Tell me why exactly are they not bigger than us?

Football League
Second Division/Championship
Champions: 1908–09, 1977–78, 1996–97
Runners-up: 1899–1900, 1904–05, 1910–11, 1934–35
Play-off Winners: 1995, 2001
Play-off Runners-up: 1999
Play-off Semi-finalists: 2000

Third Division/League One
Champions: 1972–73
Runners-up: 1992–93, 2016–17
Play-off Runners-up: 1991
Play-off Semi-finalists: 1990
Fourth Division/League Two
Third: 1987–88
Overall League Performance

Division 1/Premier League: 1888–1899, 1900–1903, 1905–1908, 1909–1910, 1911–1933, 1935–1964, 1978–1980, 1995–1996, 1997–1998, 2001–2012 (73 seasons)
Division 2/Championship: 1899–1900, 1903–1905, 1908–1909, 1910–1911, 1933–1935, 1964–1971, 1973–1978, 1980–1983, 1993–1995, 1996–1997, 1998–2001, 2012–2016 (30 seasons)
Division 3/League 1: 1971–1973, 1983–1987, 1988–1993, 2016–17 (12 seasons)
Division 4/League 2: 1987–1988 (1 season)

FA Cup
Winners: 1923, 1926, 1929, 1958
Runners-up: 1894, 1904, 1953
Semi-finalists: 1889, 1896, 1915, 1935, 1946, 2000, 2011



Lets put this into perspective, they have never won the Simod cup though.

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by Snowflake Royal » 22 Oct 2018 17:55

John Smith wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:
John Smith wrote:Yes we are. It's not 1993 anymore

I know it's not 1993, I'm aware it's 2018, whilst you don't seem to have moved on from 2013. Three out of four seasons in the bottom 7, with another looking likely chump. That's our level now.

oxf*rd off you prick

I know you just realised you've lost 5 years of your life, but no need for that.

If you can't take it back, don't dish it out.

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Re: Rumour - Phil Parkinson

by John Smith » 23 Oct 2018 09:43

Snowflake Royal wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Snowflake Royal wrote:I know it's not 1993, I'm aware it's 2018, whilst you don't seem to have moved on from 2013. Three out of four seasons in the bottom 7, with another looking likely chump. That's our level now.

oxf*rd off you prick

I know you just realised you've lost 5 years of your life, but no need for that.

If you can't take it back, don't dish it out.

I'm fully aware of our position at the moment: the fact is that we have had more recent success than Bolton, whilst they have spent a season in the third tier, as well as finishing below us in one of our worst seasons in 16 years. Whether or not they won a few FA Cups in the 20's is irrelevant to their current standing.

You aren't a Reading supporter Snowflake. Just go and support Liverpool from your armchair you'll be more suited to it.

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