If Jokanovic became available

Stick or twist?

Poll ended at 06 Dec 2018 14:37
Keep Paul Clement
25
40%
Go for Jokanovic
23
37%
Ian Royal
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21%
Other (comment)
2
3%
 
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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Snowflake Royal » 10 Nov 2018 12:22

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We are down there but all that really means is when we give up a chance it is a bloody good one (or letting teams have a lot of shots) but we are taking a larger percentage of the chances we are making.

I'm always rather suspicious about expected goals. It seems a bit too faddy and unable to take account of quite important variables.


It's just so. What's the word... American.

Yes. That too.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Wisconsin Royal » 10 Nov 2018 21:40

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We are down there but all that really means is when we give up a chance it is a bloody good one (or letting teams have a lot of shots) but we are taking a larger percentage of the chances we are making.

I'm always rather suspicious about expected goals. It seems a bit too faddy and unable to take account of quite important variables.


It's just so. What's the word?... American.


Hey, now.

You mean innovative and an interesting, new data point, of course. :D

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Hendo » 14 Nov 2018 09:41

Enjoying everyone saying sack Clement and get SJ in...

Everyone also 100% sure he would come, right?

What if we sacked Clement, SJ turned us down, what would we do then?

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by genome » 14 Nov 2018 09:45

Hendo Enjoying everyone saying sack Clement and get SJ in...

Everyone also 100% sure he would come, right?

What if we sacked Clement, SJ turned us down, what would we do then?


Presumably we'd be wise enough to put the feelers out before sacking Clement


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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by NewCorkSeth » 14 Nov 2018 09:52

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Hendo Enjoying everyone saying sack Clement and get SJ in...

Everyone also 100% sure he would come, right?

What if we sacked Clement, SJ turned us down, what would we do then?


Presumably we'd be wise enough to put the feelers out before sacking Clement

I wouldn't presume anything with us at this point.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Old Man Andrews » 14 Nov 2018 09:54

Don't want him anywhere near us. He needs money to build a team and we don't have that.

We need a manager to come in who can work on a budget and promote youth, the Reading way if you were.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by windermereROYAL » 14 Nov 2018 09:57

Last two seasons at Fulham they have started slowly but come good at the end. this place would implode before he had a chance. personally I wouldn`t want him here.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Hendo » 14 Nov 2018 10:20

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Hendo Enjoying everyone saying sack Clement and get SJ in...

Everyone also 100% sure he would come, right?

What if we sacked Clement, SJ turned us down, what would we do then?


Presumably we'd be wise enough to put the feelers out before sacking Clement


The way our fans have been going on, you wouldn't think they would.


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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by NewCorkSeth » 14 Nov 2018 10:29

Old Man Andrews Don't want him anywhere near us. He needs money to build a team and we don't have that.

We need a manager to come in who can work on a budget and promote youth, the Reading way if you were.

If Clement were sacked he would certainly be a leading contender but I wouldn't sack Clement to get him.

He tried about 30 different defensive combinations this season with Fulham.. I don't think that level of defensive indecision would help us much.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by leon » 14 Nov 2018 10:37

windermereROYAL Last two seasons at Fulham they have started slowly but come good at the end. this place would implode before he had a chance. personally I wouldn`t want him here.


As opposed to starting slowly, slowing down in the middle and finishing slowly?

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by maffff » 14 Nov 2018 10:44

Hendo What if we sacked Clement, SJ turned us down, what would we do then?


We'd still find ourselves in a better position than we are now.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Hendo » 14 Nov 2018 10:48

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Hendo What if we sacked Clement, SJ turned us down, what would we do then?


We'd still find ourselves in a better position than we are now.




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Re: If Jokanovic became available

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by tidus_mi2 » 14 Nov 2018 13:55

The absolute tragedy of Charles Watts responding to and retweeting LordCKS over this scenario.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Old Man Andrews » 14 Nov 2018 14:28

tidus_mi2 The absolute tragedy of Charles Watts responding to and retweeting LordCKS over this scenario.


Despite the fact he made a good point? Wow, grow up.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by The Royal Forester » 14 Nov 2018 14:46

sandman https://www.football.london/reading-fc/show-ambition-jokanovic-reading-fc-15413638

Show ambition and hire man who has just been sacked.

This report states in various places "Many Reading fans". "A number of Reading fans.". "Reading fans were all saying the same thing". J Low needs to make his mind up as to how many fans are "clamouring" for Clement to go.
I notice Jakanovic has had 7 manager/coach jobs in 11 years. Either he is not very good at it, or has itchy feet and cannot settle anywhere. During his time as a player he had 8 clubs in 17 years, seems to back up the latter option.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Brain Traysers » 14 Nov 2018 18:22

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It's just so. What's the word... American.

Yes. That too.


Hah - possibly an americanism, but haven't foreign imports been a net benefit to British football, or should we all go back to old school 442 hoofball?

WRT xG, the explanatory power is indeed pretty poor (a readily available model critiqued by this article had an r-squared of only 0.165), but when compared to any other easily quoted statistic it is way more powerful. Indeed some providers have started to include the missing variables referred to (including GK placement, direction and intensity of defensive pressure on shot, striking foot preference). Indeed, that article has a fair rebuttal, here.

Possession tells you nothing about where you had the ball and what you did with it (Stamball proved that), number of shots can be easily inflated by teams/players who make terrible decisions (Fulham have had 2 more shots this season than Arsenal), shots on target are marginally better, but the same issue applies.

xG while basic and flawed can tell you a lot of things:
- Mo Salah over-performed last season/was likely to drop off this season (32 2016/17 league goals from 25 xG)
- David De Gea single-handedly got Man U into the CL (28 conceded vs 43.5 xGC, worth 19 points more than their 6th placed xP)
- Burnley were either incredibly good (/world class) defensively - the pundit's since they got promoted back to the PL - or have ridden their luck for an extended period of time (13xG fewer than actually conceded last season), the latter looks more likely this season.

The above ones are obvious/established narratives than can be supported by xG, but it can also be a really helpful tool to tease out the less obvious (or counter wrongly established) ones:
- Morata and Sterling are statistically not bad finishers, in spite of the occasional bad miss (xG and G consistent)
- Jadon Sancho and Reiss Nelson look very promising at a young age playing in a top league, but their numbers suggest its premature to declare them an elite level winger-playmaker and striker (JS has 6 league assists from 2.65xA, RN has 6 league goals from 1.8xG), so expect both to drop off
- (and most importantly) Reading continue to be incredibly lucky / Paul Clement is a tactical genius - you chose the narrative.

WRT the OP, even though he is available and has a very strong CV, no thanks. Until the fans start to turn on PC (as opposed to the current state of apathy), no need to reset - we need stability to rebuild, even if that risks another relegation fight.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Zip » 14 Nov 2018 19:17

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windermereROYAL Last two seasons at Fulham they have started slowly but come good at the end. this place would implode before he had a chance. personally I wouldn`t want him here.


As opposed to starting slowly, slowing down in the middle and finishing slowly?


Or starting slowly and petering out.

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Re: If Jokanovic became available

by Mid Sussex Royal » 15 Nov 2018 19:28

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sandman https://www.football.london/reading-fc/show-ambition-jokanovic-reading-fc-15413638

Show ambition and hire man who has just been sacked.

This report states in various places "Many Reading fans". "A number of Reading fans.". "Reading fans were all saying the same thing". J Low needs to make his mind up as to how many fans are "clamouring" for Clement to go.
I notice Jakanovic has had 7 manager/coach jobs in 11 years. Either he is not very good at it, or has itchy feet and cannot settle anywhere. During his time as a player he had 8 clubs in 17 years, seems to back up the latter option.

Be careful what you wish for!


Low is useless and the worst journo Evening Post/Get Reading/London FC (or what ever it is now) has ever had. Usual people on there winging (and on the facebook page too) who he always quotes....its always so unbalanced with him. His knowledge of football is awful too.

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