by genome » 04 Dec 2017 16:23
by Hound » 04 Dec 2017 17:38
by leon » 05 Dec 2017 00:15
by BR0B0T » 05 Dec 2017 01:21
genome What's the reason for this? It can't be as simple as us just keeping the ball when we score first, right? Or is it? Is losing when we concede down to the mentality of the players, or an inherent flaw in Stam's tactics?
by genome » 05 Dec 2017 09:16
leon If we didn’t play any recognised strikers up front and constantly swapped the team we’d do better.
by leon » 05 Dec 2017 10:48
genomeleon If we didn’t play any recognised strikers up front and constantly swapped the team we’d do better.
Has Ian really got you this rattled?
by WAZZOCK » 05 Dec 2017 12:45
genomeleon If we didn’t play any recognised strikers up front and constantly swapped the team we’d do better.
Has Ian really got you this rattled?
by Tony Le Mesmer » 05 Dec 2017 14:10
by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2017 17:27
genome I'm bored this afternoon, so I decided to tot up the stats for when we've scored first vs when we've conceded first in all competitions over Stam's entire Reading career. I imagine this is something that most Reading fans are generally aware of, but it's quite interesting to see it in black & white stats. It's a bit alarming...
Scoring first: P41 W36 D3 L2 - PPG 2.70 - 124 point season*
Conceding first: P31 W2 D7 L22 - PPG 0.42 - 19 point season*
0-0 Draws: 5
That's just two losses in Stam's entire tenure when we've got the first goal. That was 3-2 away to Derby last season, and 2-1 away to Millwall this season. That's massive. Conversely, our record is awful when we concede first, with only 2 wins in 31 games, which was 3-2 away to Bristol City, and 2-1 at home to Rotherham, both last season.
What's the reason for this? It can't be as simple as us just keeping the ball when we score first, right? Or is it? Is losing when we concede down to the mentality of the players, or an inherent flaw in Stam's tactics?
* admittedly it's a bit off to work out PPG and an average point season while including cup games, so take them with a pinch of salt. But our cup games have included 3 Premier League sides, 2 Championship sides, 2 League One sides, and 1 League Two side, so it's an even spread. Our cup record is fairly even too (P8 W4 D1 L3)
NB - I've counted the Huddersfield and MK Dons results as draws.
by TiagoIlori » 05 Dec 2017 17:47
by genome » 05 Dec 2017 17:52
Marino13genome I'm bored this afternoon, so I decided to tot up the stats for when we've scored first vs when we've conceded first in all competitions over Stam's entire Reading career. I imagine this is something that most Reading fans are generally aware of, but it's quite interesting to see it in black & white stats. It's a bit alarming...
Scoring first: P41 W36 D3 L2 - PPG 2.70 - 124 point season*
Conceding first: P31 W2 D7 L22 - PPG 0.42 - 19 point season*
0-0 Draws: 5
That's just two losses in Stam's entire tenure when we've got the first goal. That was 3-2 away to Derby last season, and 2-1 away to Millwall this season. That's massive. Conversely, our record is awful when we concede first, with only 2 wins in 31 games, which was 3-2 away to Bristol City, and 2-1 at home to Rotherham, both last season.
What's the reason for this? It can't be as simple as us just keeping the ball when we score first, right? Or is it? Is losing when we concede down to the mentality of the players, or an inherent flaw in Stam's tactics?
* admittedly it's a bit off to work out PPG and an average point season while including cup games, so take them with a pinch of salt. But our cup games have included 3 Premier League sides, 2 Championship sides, 2 League One sides, and 1 League Two side, so it's an even spread. Our cup record is fairly even too (P8 W4 D1 L3)
NB - I've counted the Huddersfield and MK Dons results as draws.
by jove, i think you need to get out a little more.
by Sutekh » 06 Dec 2017 08:40
by Snowflake Royal » 06 Dec 2017 21:59
Sutekh As mentioned, be good to see the same stats for the same period for the other Championship clubs. Reckon it may not be that uncommon to see several sides with that sort of record.
by BR0B0T » 07 Dec 2017 11:35
Snowflake RoyalSutekh As mentioned, be good to see the same stats for the same period for the other Championship clubs. Reckon it may not be that uncommon to see several sides with that sort of record.
I suspect ours is skewed further than normal, but the general trend is present for almost everyone.
Obviously you'd expect teams at the bottom to concede first and lose a lot, and those at the top to score first and win a lot.
Can't be arsed to do the stats.
by Snowflake Royal » 07 Dec 2017 15:22
BR0B0TSnowflake RoyalSutekh As mentioned, be good to see the same stats for the same period for the other Championship clubs. Reckon it may not be that uncommon to see several sides with that sort of record.
I suspect ours is skewed further than normal, but the general trend is present for almost everyone.
Obviously you'd expect teams at the bottom to concede first and lose a lot, and those at the top to score first and win a lot.
Can't be arsed to do the stats.
If you/someone can direct me to a data source with the necessary goal times
in an easy as possible format please...i'll take a look
by BR0B0T » 07 Dec 2017 15:38
Snowflake RoyalBR0B0TSnowflake Royal
I suspect ours is skewed further than normal, but the general trend is present for almost everyone.
Obviously you'd expect teams at the bottom to concede first and lose a lot, and those at the top to score first and win a lot.
Can't be arsed to do the stats.
If you/someone can direct me to a data source with the necessary goal times
in an easy as possible format please...i'll take a look
Format is going to be the problem.
by genome » 07 Dec 2017 15:42
by muirinho » 07 Dec 2017 15:48
genome Best thing I can think of is navig8ing to each individual team's results list on BBC Sport, and clicking "Show Scorers" and just making notes
E.G on Aston Villa's page http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tea ... s-fixtures - "Show Scorers" in the top right and scrolling back through the months
Definition of ballache though
by genome » 07 Dec 2017 15:52
muirinhogenome Best thing I can think of is navig8ing to each individual team's results list on BBC Sport, and clicking "Show Scorers" and just making notes
E.G on Aston Villa's page http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tea ... s-fixtures - "Show Scorers" in the top right and scrolling back through the months
Definition of ballache though
Think soccerbase or similar might be a bit quicker. Here's Bristol City's results page for instance. Click on i to expand each result and you get times and scorers. Less to-ing and for-ing
http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd ... bs=results
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