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Re: Rival Watch

by Silver Fox » 07 Mar 2018 10:04

CountryRoyal wrote:Barnsley therefore favorites for the drop but they've probably got a lot more fight in then us.


Based on what exactly?

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Re: Rival Watch

by CountryRoyal » 07 Mar 2018 14:51

Silver Fox wrote:
CountryRoyal wrote:Barnsley therefore favorites for the drop but they've probably got a lot more fight in then us.


Based on what exactly?


Less talented players. Northern.

That's about it.

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Re: Rival Watch

by tidus_mi2 » 07 Mar 2018 21:54

You know, I thought there was a possibility Wolves would have stayed within FFP, largely thanks to their profit posted the season before last but they just released last season's accounts and they lost £23m, add on what they'll undoubtedly lose this season, are they really going to stay within the FFP figure?

Either way, it really shows the difference in levels of investment, not ignoring that with our level investment, we should have expected mid-table as a minimum.
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Re: Rival Watch

by tidus_mi2 » 07 Mar 2018 21:55

On a more related to us note, Wolves are making Leeds look like complete pushovers, hopefully that will be positive for us when we play Leeds at the weekend, not forgetting they've only won once since Boxing Day.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Zip » 07 Mar 2018 22:01

tidus_mi2 wrote:On a more related to us note, Wolves are making Leeds look like complete pushovers, hopefully that will be positive for us when we play Leeds at the weekend, not forgetting they've only won once since Boxing Day.


It’s the sort of game we need. Leeds in mid table with very little to play for and in poor form. The atmosphere will be much livelier on Saturday. That will help. We have a very decent record against them (much like Derby)
I think we will win on Saturday......although I have been overly optimistic before too many games this season!


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Re: Rival Watch

by Horsham Royal » 07 Mar 2018 23:29

tidus_mi2 wrote:... and they lost £23 ...
If only they'd sold a dozen more pies :-)

tidus_mi2 wrote: ... are they really going to stay within the FFP figure?
Don't know about Wolves' position but given the investment gets spread over the length of the contract, I've been wondering if our contract extensions this season were to lighten up our FFP position a little. Or have I got that totally wrong?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 08 Mar 2018 09:53

Horsham Royal wrote:
tidus_mi2 wrote:... and they lost £23 ...
If only they'd sold a dozen more pies :-)

tidus_mi2 wrote: ... are they really going to stay within the FFP figure?
Don't know about Wolves' position but given the investment gets spread over the length of the contract, I've been wondering if our contract extensions this season were to lighten up our FFP position a little. Or have I got that totally wrong?


I think that would only apply if they were signings. ie Aluko's fee would be spread over the 4 ( :( ) years of his contract
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Re: Rival Watch

by muirinho » 08 Mar 2018 10:09

Hound wrote:
Horsham Royal wrote:
tidus_mi2 wrote:... and they lost £23 ...
If only they'd sold a dozen more pies :-)

tidus_mi2 wrote: ... are they really going to stay within the FFP figure?
Don't know about Wolves' position but given the investment gets spread over the length of the contract, I've been wondering if our contract extensions this season were to lighten up our FFP position a little. Or have I got that totally wrong?


I think that would only apply if they were signings. ie Aluko's fee would be spread over the 4 ( : ( ) years of his contract


Yes, that's true. Essentially, apart from wages, a player is "free" in FFP terms if he keeps extending a contract. the only case where the FFP would be affected by a contract extension is if there was an "option to extend" built into the original contract - as I understand it, whether FFP per year cost is spread over the initial length or the "extended length" boils down to who has control over the extension - the player or the club.

It's worth noting of course that actual losses and FFP losses aren't the same thing. If some of those losses arise from subsidising an academy, etc, they won't count.

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Re: Rival Watch

by John Smith » 08 Mar 2018 10:42

Sheffield Wednesday since Carvahal's departure:

- lost the last 5 games
- taken just 7 points from the last possible 30
- new all time low record for consecutive games lost
- host Bolton on Saturday.

Should they not pick up maximum points vs. Bolton, does Luhukay go?


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Re: Rival Watch

by Old Man Andrews » 08 Mar 2018 10:44

John Smith wrote:Sheffield Wednesday since Carvahal's departure:

- lost the last 5 games
- taken just 7 points from the last possible 30
- new all time low record for consecutive games lost
- host Bolton on Saturday.

Should they not pick up maximum points vs. Bolton, does Luhukay go?


I think they are fairly safe so my guess is they will wait until the end of the season and then go after Mick McCarthy who is out of contract in June. They want him anyway and won't have to pay compo if they wait.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 08 Mar 2018 10:48

certainly their game against Bolton is a biggie. Would be a huge one for either to win, and Sheff Weds would undoubtedly be in the mix if they lose the game. A win and you'd think they have enough of a cushion

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Re: Rival Watch

by genome » 08 Mar 2018 10:53

I always think Luhukay looks like a Bond villain

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Re: Rival Watch

by Old Man Andrews » 08 Mar 2018 10:53

genome wrote:I always think Luhukay looks like a Bond villain


I just don't trust that moustache at all, deeply questionable.


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Re: Rival Watch

by John Smith » 08 Mar 2018 10:54

Old Man Andrews wrote:
John Smith wrote:Sheffield Wednesday since Carvahal's departure:

- lost the last 5 games
- taken just 7 points from the last possible 30
- new all time low record for consecutive games lost
- host Bolton on Saturday.

Should they not pick up maximum points vs. Bolton, does Luhukay go?


I think they are fairly safe so my guess is they will wait until the end of the season and then go after Mick McCarthy who is out of contract in June. They want him anyway and won't have to pay compo if they wait.

I think you're probably right as I've heard the same thing. I think they are now where they belong and I'm glad to see them in the mire because they have ideas above their station.

IF they lose against Bolton, the following game is away to Leeds United. They then play PNE at home.

If they lose all three - does Luhukay go?

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Re: Rival Watch

by leon » 08 Mar 2018 11:20

John Smith wrote:
Old Man Andrews wrote:
John Smith wrote:Sheffield Wednesday since Carvahal's departure:

- lost the last 5 games
- taken just 7 points from the last possible 30
- new all time low record for consecutive games lost
- host Bolton on Saturday.

Should they not pick up maximum points vs. Bolton, does Luhukay go?


I think they are fairly safe so my guess is they will wait until the end of the season and then go after Mick McCarthy who is out of contract in June. They want him anyway and won't have to pay compo if they wait.

I think you're probably right as I've heard the same thing. I think they are now where they belong and I'm glad to see them in the mire because they have ideas above their station.

IF they lose against Bolton, the following game is away to Leeds United. They then play PNE at home.

If they lose all three - does Luhukay go?


Tell you what, why don't you create a poll on Owls.com?

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Re: Rival Watch

by bcubed » 08 Mar 2018 11:44

muirinho wrote:
Hound wrote:
Horsham Royal wrote:If only they'd sold a dozen more pies :-)

Don't know about Wolves' position but given the investment gets spread over the length of the contract, I've been wondering if our contract extensions this season were to lighten up our FFP position a little. Or have I got that totally wrong?


I think that would only apply if they were signings. ie Aluko's fee would be spread over the 4 ( : ( ) years of his contract


Yes, that's true. Essentially, apart from wages, a player is "free" in FFP terms if he keeps extending a contract. the only case where the FFP would be affected by a contract extension is if there was an "option to extend" built into the original contract - as I understand it, whether FFP per year cost is spread over the initial length or the "extended length" boils down to who has control over the extension - the player or the club.

It's worth noting of course that actual losses and FFP losses aren't the same thing. If some of those losses arise from subsidising an academy, etc, they won't count.


Not FFP but interesting*

Leeds owner speaking about Wolves

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leed ... i-14381998

"We have our own problems but we should play in a fair competition," he began.

"Not legal and fair let one team owned by a fund whom has shares in the biggest players agency with evident benefits (top European clubs giving players with options to buy ..why the other 23 teams can’t have same treatment ? We should play all 24 with the same rules and opportunities (it s enough to google it) @EFL ."

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 08 Mar 2018 12:04

Old Man Andrews wrote:
John Smith wrote:Sheffield Wednesday since Carvahal's departure:

- lost the last 5 games
- taken just 7 points from the last possible 30
- new all time low record for consecutive games lost
- host Bolton on Saturday.

Should they not pick up maximum points vs. Bolton, does Luhukay go?


I think they are fairly safe so my guess is they will wait until the end of the season and then go after Mick McCarthy who is out of contract in June. They want him anyway and won't have to pay compo if they wait.


If they lose and we win on Saturday, they will be 19th. Will they still be fairly safe?

Could be a massive game when we visit there next month, so hopefully they keep hold of Luhukay.

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Re: Rival Watch

by John Smith » 08 Mar 2018 12:22

Stranded wrote:If they [Sheffield Wednesday] lose and we win on Saturday, they will be 19th. Will they still be fairly safe?

Could be a massive game when we visit there next month, so hopefully they keep hold of Luhukay.

I'm 90% sure they will be. However they still have Bolton, Sunderland, Hull and us to play. Lose all of them and they're in huge trouble

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Re: Rival Watch

by UpNorth » 08 Mar 2018 12:34

The locals up here think Wednesday are shot since their derby defeat. They are saying they won't win another game this season. Sounds familiar! Can see them losing on Saturday. If they carry on like this I can see us getting points when we visit next month.

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Re: Rival Watch

by windermereROYAL » 08 Mar 2018 14:31

Us and Wednesday are seriously suffering a play-off hangover, kudos to Fulham for flying the flag.

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