The Local Journo Thread

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Hound » 03 Jul 2018 12:21

hmm, lets see if there is anything in his posts - Shane Long, McNulty chase over, Joey to Utrecht...

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Pepe the Horseman » 03 Jul 2018 13:08

Hound wrote:hmm, lets see if there is anything in his posts - Shane Long, McNulty chase over, Joey to Utrecht...

Clearly a kid with too much time on his hands.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Platypuss » 04 Jul 2018 11:19

John Smith wrote:It should be easier for people to create accounts on here. The admin process is ridiculous and would allow for way more people to come on a contribute.


And also easy for Russian spammers.
Which is why we are where we are.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by John Smith » 04 Jul 2018 11:31

Platypuss wrote:
John Smith wrote:It should be easier for people to create accounts on here. The admin process is ridiculous and would allow for way more people to come on a contribute.


And also easy for Russian spammers.
Which is why we are where we are.

Anton's gone now mate.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Maneki Neko » 04 Jul 2018 12:46

Platypuss wrote:
John Smith wrote:It should be easier for people to create accounts on here. The admin process is ridiculous and would allow for way more people to come on a contribute.


And also easy for Russian spammers.
Which is why we are where we are.


don't you just set up a new user name and then start posting?


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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by NewCorkSeth » 04 Jul 2018 13:20

Platypuss wrote:
John Smith wrote:It should be easier for people to create accounts on here. The admin process is ridiculous and would allow for way more people to come on a contribute.


And also easy for Russian spammers.
Which is why we are where we are.

I have an alt account that got verified (I had 2 or 3 comments accepted on an ae thread) but when I signed back into it to make what I'm certain was a witty joke the account had become de-verified again. Shame that. I had many gags lined up.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by WoodleyRoyal » 05 Jul 2018 10:58

NewCorkSeth wrote:
Platypuss wrote:
John Smith wrote:It should be easier for people to create accounts on here. The admin process is ridiculous and would allow for way more people to come on a contribute.


And also easy for Russian spammers.
Which is why we are where we are.

I have an alt account that got verified (I had 2 or 3 comments accepted on an ae thread) but when I signed back into it to make what I'm certain was a witty joke the account had become de-verified again. Shame that. I had many gags lined up.


Hi Double D :!:

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Wimb » 07 Jul 2018 11:12

bobby1413 wrote:I feel sorry for journalists these days, it must be such a ruthless, thankless and bleak job.

You have images of journalism being things like, rushing out, chasing some information, interviewing people, drafting up an insightful piece ready for the Monday edition. Getting it in just gone 10pm over a glass of whisky and a ciggy.

In reality it is sitting in an office churning out the same articles repeatedly, where half the content is actually links to similar stories, adverts, a google street view image and a screenshot from twitter.

The same articles that GR seem to have are:

10 best burgers in town
Old pubs you've probably forgotten about
10 signs you are from Reading
The cow bridge xxxxxx
The third bridge xxxxxx
Reading Festival
Reading buses xxxxx
Ikea traffic jams

Also LOL that The Oracle won the best Cultural space for Reading.

Today's headline feature article is from Hugh Fort and is entitled "Can you fry an egg on a car bonnet" (ANSWER: no as when he cracked it onto the bonnet it slid off) ... (I sh*t you not)


Pretty much this.

With no actual paper to sell it's all based on ads and ad revenue is based on clicks. Sure, time spent per page helps but cold hard clicks get the cash (and are often easier to churn out).

I've said similar on here before but unless you're actively paying for a product I don't know how you can expect great quality. It would be like looking for professional plumbing advice online and then getting riled up over the fact you weren't getting a full service for free.

Yes, you indirectly contribute to GR, Chronicle etc by visiting the site, however your individual click is worth absolute pittance, especially if you don't click on the ads or watch full videos etc.

Could the quality of local journalism be improved? Absolutely. Is it likely to do so while this funding model exists? Very unlikely.

The best you can hope for is a hungry young journalist with limited financial worries on the way up, or an experienced pro on the way down looking for a part time gig.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by leon » 08 Jul 2018 00:49

Wimb wrote:
bobby1413 wrote:I feel sorry for journalists these days, it must be such a ruthless, thankless and bleak job.

You have images of journalism being things like, rushing out, chasing some information, interviewing people, drafting up an insightful piece ready for the Monday edition. Getting it in just gone 10pm over a glass of whisky and a ciggy.

In reality it is sitting in an office churning out the same articles repeatedly, where half the content is actually links to similar stories, adverts, a google street view image and a screenshot from twitter.

The same articles that GR seem to have are:

10 best burgers in town
Old pubs you've probably forgotten about
10 signs you are from Reading
The cow bridge xxxxxx
The third bridge xxxxxx
Reading Festival
Reading buses xxxxx
Ikea traffic jams

Also LOL that The Oracle won the best Cultural space for Reading.

Today's headline feature article is from Hugh Fort and is entitled "Can you fry an egg on a car bonnet" (ANSWER: no as when he cracked it onto the bonnet it slid off) ... (I sh*t you not)


Pretty much this.

With no actual paper to sell it's all based on ads and ad revenue is based on clicks. Sure, time spent per page helps but cold hard clicks get the cash (and are often easier to churn out).

I've said similar on here before but unless you're actively paying for a product I don't know how you can expect great quality. It would be like looking for professional plumbing advice online and then getting riled up over the fact you weren't getting a full service for free.

Yes, you indirectly contribute to GR, Chronicle etc by visiting the site, however your individual click is worth absolute pittance, especially if you don't click on the ads or watch full videos etc.

Could the quality of local journalism be improved? Absolutely. Is it likely to do so while this funding model exists? Very unlikely.

The best you can hope for is a hungry young journalist with limited financial worries on the way up, or an experienced pro on the way down looking for a part time gig.


Well fcuking quite.

It’s the internet get it for free but demand quality and this is unacceptable model.

Get used to it pricks.


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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Wimb » 09 Jul 2018 06:41

leon wrote:
Well fcuking quite.

It’s the internet get it for free but demand quality and this is unacceptable model.

Get used to it pricks.


:lol: On the plus side, I have noticed a very slow shift towards people who will actually back a project even if they don't have to. When I was running TTE, a slowly increasing number of readers/listeners began to chip in via crowd funding.

The model to go down now to ensure quality over quantity would seem to be super-serving your hardcore audience. Going hard for the 5,000 die hard fans, rather than luring in 50,000 for free. I know the Liverpool Echo tried something along those lines with 'Anfield Extra' but that seems to have flopped, which is a shame.

What's disappointing is that realistically if a site like TTE or even GR had 10,000 readers all paying £2 month, you'd have a situation where you could employ people at a good rate and do some 'proper' original journalism and have the time to build up sources, arrange interviews and all that jazz.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by bobby1413 » 09 Jul 2018 07:58

Wimb wrote:What's disappointing is that realistically if a site like TTE or even GR had 10,000 readers all paying £2 month, you'd have a situation where you could employ people at a good rate and do some 'proper' original journalism and have the time to build up sources, arrange interviews and all that jazz.


True 'dat.

Unfortunately, all the jumped up 16 year olds on Twatter would not agree, and believe it is their birth right to have breaking news from deep within the club on a continual basis. They would also just spout of 140 characters of pure drivel about how we're going down based on half a game's performance at Eastleigh.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Tilehurstsouthbank » 09 Jul 2018 15:12

bobby1413 wrote:
Wimb wrote:What's disappointing is that realistically if a site like TTE or even GR had 10,000 readers all paying £2 month, you'd have a situation where you could employ people at a good rate and do some 'proper' original journalism and have the time to build up sources, arrange interviews and all that jazz.


True 'dat.

Unfortunately, all the jumped up 16 year olds on Twatter would not agree, and believe it is their birth right to have breaking news from deep within the club on a continual basis. They would also just spout of 140 characters of pure drivel about how we're going down based on half a game's performance at Eastleigh.


Careful mate. Don't upset the Snowflakes...

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Snowflake Royal » 11 Jul 2018 18:58

Maneki Neko wrote:
Platypuss wrote:
John Smith wrote:It should be easier for people to create accounts on here. The admin process is ridiculous and would allow for way more people to come on a contribute.


And also easy for Russian spammers.
Which is why we are where we are.


don't you just set up a new user name and then start posting?

No, your first ten posts have to be approved by a mod these days.


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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Hound » 12 Jul 2018 10:53

i quite like JLow's new site - the championshipnews.co.uk

does a good job of rounding up local articles etc

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by russyb » 12 Jul 2018 12:00

Hound wrote:i quite like JLow's new site - the championshipnews.co.uk

does a good job of rounding up local articles etc


what a horrible looking site!

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by paultheroyal » 12 Jul 2018 12:28

russyb wrote:
Hound wrote:i quite like JLow's new site - the championshipnews.co.uk

does a good job of rounding up local articles etc


what a horrible looking site!


Hi Courtney.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Hound » 12 Jul 2018 12:51

russyb wrote:
Hound wrote:i quite like JLow's new site - the championshipnews.co.uk

does a good job of rounding up local articles etc


what a horrible looking site!


yeah it looks horrible, but to be honest wasn't visiting it to be wowed by the user interface

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by bobby1413 » 12 Jul 2018 17:37

russyb wrote:
Hound wrote:i quite like JLow's new site - the championshipnews.co.uk

does a good job of rounding up local articles etc


what a horrible looking site!


I actually quite like it. It's far cleaner than many others. No adverts, just a tiled view of news stories. Similar to an RSS feed. Quick glance to see the latest stories.
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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 17 Jul 2018 13:31

Another signing missed by the local press. They have been missing things left, right and centre recently.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by muirinho » 17 Jul 2018 13:31

Old Man Andrews wrote:Another signing missed by the local press. They have been missing things left, right and centre recently.


Like the team.

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