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Re: Relegation

by Stranded » 11 Jan 2022 09:04

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No guarantee academy lads would 1) be played and 2) be good enough.
If we go down it could get considerably worse before it gets better. Would Yongge then consider pulling the club?
We mustn’t go down.

If he goes all the better. He's not going to fold the club. He's not an asset stripper, we're a toy. There'd be a buyer.

It may get much worse before it gets better. It could qlso get much better quickly. And if we stay up it could remain utterly shit.

We've already been total toss for most of almost 10 years.



Would there be a buyer? We struggled to get someone to buy the club when Madejski was owner and we were in a far better state then. Yongge also has a track record when it comes to clubs folding.


There are people interested in buying Derby, who are in debt to multiple 3rd parties and may end up having to settle with Boro and Wycombe to even get out of admin.

The club is only in debt to the current owner, so all it should come down to is how badly they want to sell and how much or over how long they would expect their money back.

Going down will not be an answer, it just won't - the gap between the Champ and L1 is also now growing to the extent that clubs coming up from there are now struggling to get a foothold back in the Champ. You generally see a couple struggle (see Hull/Peterborough) and one do OK (Blackpool), going down completely reframes the ability of the club to compete at this level esp. if you are down there for a few years.

If it happens, it happens, I'll still watch and hope we compete but I would much rather that this summer's reset is at Champ level.

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 11 Jan 2022 09:18

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It has taken the majority of those sides years to make it back up though. Portsmouth and Sunderland have been down there for years now.

I don't doubt if we went down then we would make it back up at some point, but I don't think we'd do it at the first attempt.


It took us 4 years last time we went down to league one to get promoted back to the championship. And that was arguably when the club was less of a shambles and better run than it is now.


Without a doubt.

Questionable. We were far less established, had an absentee owner and a manager who thought shit SPL rejects were up to L1 with the cost of a new stadium hanging over our heads to payoff.

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Re: Relegation

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 11 Jan 2022 09:26

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It took us 4 years last time we went down to league one to get promoted back to the championship. And that was arguably when the club was less of a shambles and better run than it is now.


Without a doubt.

Questionable. We were far less established, had an absentee owner and a manager who thought shit SPL rejects were up to L1 with the cost of a new stadium hanging over our heads to payoff.


The situation is definitely different should we go down this season but with so many players out of contract, one or two others who are contracted that will need to be moved due to their wage demands (Moore, Joao and Puscas potentially providing none of them leave this window), as well as possibly replacing our manager and building basically an entirely new squad from scratch nearly under restrictions, it will be tougher to do that successfully in League One than in the Championship I think.

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Re: Relegation

by Royal_jimmy » 16 Jan 2022 10:48

We really are screwed if we go down. I think things will get much worse than they are now.

With players like Bristow we're more likely to be relegated again to league 2.

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Re: Relegation

by leon » 16 Jan 2022 11:29

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It took us 4 years last time we went down to league one to get promoted back to the championship. And that was arguably when the club was less of a shambles and better run than it is now.


Without a doubt.

Questionable. We were far less established, had an absentee owner and a manager who thought shit SPL rejects were up to L1 with the cost of a new stadium hanging over our heads to payoff.


That was the first season. And that was down to a bad manager.

We were then able to spend 1m on Butler and Robinson who transformed the team.

We were getting a reputation for being big spending Reading.

So yes we were in a better position then than we are now and it took us 4 seasons.


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Re: Relegation

by The Royal Forester » 16 Jan 2022 11:44

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YorkshireRoyal99 Then what about the likes of Charlton who were there for 4/5 years and are now back there, Sunderland have been there for 3/4 years, Ipswich 2 seasons likely to be 3, Bolton 3rd season outside the Championship, Portsmouth, Blackpool before they came up etc.

I know we would get back up eventually, but I think we'd but one case where it would take 3/4 years, I hope I'd be wrong though.

You know when I said for every .... there's a .... :roll:


But most of the clubs you've named were in far better shape than what we will be, with the likes of Blackburn for example who were able to retain most of their squad and build from that. We have about a dozen players contracted beyond this summer with restrictions given what our wages will need to be as well to avoid another points deduction.

Thanks to the suspended points we WILL start next season on minus six points, if we are relegated this season.

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Jan 2022 11:51

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But most of the clubs you've named were in far better shape than what we will be, with the likes of Blackburn for example who were able to retain most of their squad and build from that. We have about a dozen players contracted beyond this summer with restrictions given what our wages will need to be as well to avoid another points deduction.

Thanks to the suspended points we WILL start next season on minus six points, if we are relegated this season.

Not if we meet our budget. Which won't be hard if we get rid of Moore and only have seven senior players on anything like Championship wages.

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Re: Relegation

by The Royal Forester » 16 Jan 2022 11:58

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But most of the clubs you've named were in far better shape than what we will be, with the likes of Blackburn for example who were able to retain most of their squad and build from that. We have about a dozen players contracted beyond this summer with restrictions given what our wages will need to be as well to avoid another points deduction.

Thanks to the suspended points we WILL start next season on minus six points, if we are relegated this season.

Not if we meet our budget. Which won't be hard if we get rid of Moore and only have seven senior players on anything like Championship wages.


Are you sure? I thought the EFL said if we are relegated this season, those suspended points will be enforced. I don't remember anything being said about budget. Can anyone find the statement the EFL issued at the time? Hopefully, it will put my mind at rest!

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Jan 2022 12:01

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The Royal Forester Thanks to the suspended points we WILL start next season on minus six points, if we are relegated this season.

Not if we meet our budget. Which won't be hard if we get rid of Moore and only have seven senior players on anything like Championship wages.


Are you sure? I thought the EFL said if we are relegated this season, those suspended points will be enforced. I don't remember anything being said about budget. Can anyone find the statement the EFL issued at the time? Hopefully, it will put my mind at rest!

How can you impose points deduction for financial non-compliance for on the field performance?

It's nonsense. We could sell every senior player in January and half our wage bill to well below the required level, but because it relegated us we still get more points taken off?

No chance.


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Re: Relegation

by Franchise FC » 16 Jan 2022 12:18

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Snowflake Royal So, let's take a look at this.


Southwood - is performing broadly at Championship level - 1st XI
Andresson - Already getting some L1 experience with Morecambe 1st XVIII
Boyce-Clarke - unknown but promising
Bristow - seems a little out of his depth at Championship level but some promise there. Ok Squad
Ashcroft - seems a bit lightweight and unready for Championship, Maybe Squad
Dorsett - playing ok at L2 already Ok Squad
Holzman - was poor against Kiddie, on just one game not remotely ready - Not Ready
Stickland - unclear, but seemed ok in cameo
Osorio - probably a little way off yet, but promising and who knows in a year Maybe Squad
Tetek - pushing the edges of our first team. Should be good enough. First XVIII
Camara - looks promising, not really a consistent champ player yet - OK Squad
Clarke - looks a bit shy of Champ standard, but has scored some good goals and could do a job - OK Squad
Ehibhatiomhan - could potentially break through for the squad. Maybe Squad


So assuming we have to ship out everyone else to meet a reduced relegation budget that leaves us with a potential side of:

Southwood

New Player
New Player
New Player
New Player

New Player
New Player
New Player

New Player
New Player

New Player

Bench: Andresson, Tetek, Clarke, Camara, Bristow, Osario, Dorsett

:wink: HMS Piss the League :lol:

We won't need to ship everyone out though will we. We could even extend a few.

No one is expecting the Academy to be our first XI next year. Or if we kept the whole first team squad that we'd piss the league. :P

We can only extend those that want to.
If they decide they want to exit the shitstorm, no-one could blame them

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Jan 2022 12:29

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So assuming we have to ship out everyone else to meet a reduced relegation budget that leaves us with a potential side of:

Southwood

New Player
New Player
New Player
New Player

New Player
New Player
New Player

New Player
New Player

New Player

Bench: Andresson, Tetek, Clarke, Camara, Bristow, Osario, Dorsett

:wink: HMS Piss the League :lol:

We won't need to ship everyone out though will we. We could even extend a few.

No one is expecting the Academy to be our first XI next year. Or if we kept the whole first team squad that we'd piss the league. :P

We can only extend those that want to.
If they decide they want to exit the shitstorm, no-one could blame them

So lots of wage budget freed up.

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Re: Relegation

by Franchise FC » 16 Jan 2022 15:48

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Snowflake Royal We won't need to ship everyone out though will we. We could even extend a few.

No one is expecting the Academy to be our first XI next year. Or if we kept the whole first team squad that we'd piss the league. :P

We can only extend those that want to.
If they decide they want to exit the shitstorm, no-one could blame them

So lots of wage budget freed up.

Trouble is, the ones we want to keep may well be the ones that find it easiest to find an alternative

And lots of wage budget freed up only if it’s the higher paid players that decide to leave. If it’s the lower paid, good ones …

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Jan 2022 15:51

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Franchise FC We can only extend those that want to.
If they decide they want to exit the shitstorm, no-one could blame them

So lots of wage budget freed up.

Trouble is, the ones we want to keep may well be the ones that find it easiest to find an alternative

And lots of wage budget freed up only if it’s the higher paid players that decide to leave. If it’s the lower paid, good ones …

Well we only have 8 who will still be contracted. Moore wants out and we want him out.

I don't see much problem finding someone to take Joao, Meite or Ejaria... who are the only higher paid players left otherwise.

Meite has been consistently good at this level. Someone will bet on Joao replicating his form. And there'll be people happy to hope Ejaria can produce end product.


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Re: Relegation

by BROB0T » 16 Jan 2022 16:06

Is this the year you go down or will you escape again?

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Re: Relegation

by Zip » 16 Jan 2022 17:09

BROB0T Is this the year you go down or will you escape again?



Impossible to say. Derby’s points deduction might save our necks as Barnsley and Peterborough are pretty hopeless. Cardiff and Hull are as bad as us. We are such a mess though so who knows.

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Jan 2022 18:09

BROB0T Is this the year you go down or will you escape again?

Is this the year you stop being shit?

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Re: Relegation

by tmesis » 17 Jan 2022 19:59

In some ways the nightmare is to stay up, lose some of our better players, yet still be under spending restrictions and be unable to replace them.

The thought of us having to play a full championship season with a team not much better than the one we put out at Kidderminster is frightening.

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Re: Relegation

by OLLIE KEARNS » 17 Jan 2022 20:18

tmesis In some ways the nightmare is to stay up, lose some of our better players, yet still be under spending restrictions and be unable to replace them.

The thought of us having to play a full championship season with a team not much better than the one we put out at Kidderminster is frightening.


Much better to stay up as many clubs are going through a financial reset. Bristol City sound like they’ll be next seasons first points deduction team and Stoke/Boro are also under pressure. Add in downward pressure on transfer fees, contracts and loan deals and our EFL imposed salary cap of £16m should allow us to be competitive.

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Re: Relegation

by tmesis » 17 Jan 2022 20:34

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tmesis In some ways the nightmare is to stay up, lose some of our better players, yet still be under spending restrictions and be unable to replace them.

The thought of us having to play a full championship season with a team not much better than the one we put out at Kidderminster is frightening.


Much better to stay up as many clubs are going through a financial reset. Bristol City sound like they’ll be next seasons first points deduction team and Stoke/Boro are also under pressure. Add in downward pressure on transfer fees, contracts and loan deals and our EFL imposed salary cap of £16m should allow us to be competitive.


It just depends on what our wage bill would be if all the out of contract players leave in the summer.

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Re: Relegation

by Royal_jimmy » 20 Jan 2022 09:57

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tmesis In some ways the nightmare is to stay up, lose some of our better players, yet still be under spending restrictions and be unable to replace them.

The thought of us having to play a full championship season with a team not much better than the one we put out at Kidderminster is frightening.


Much better to stay up as many clubs are going through a financial reset. Bristol City sound like they’ll be next seasons first points deduction team and Stoke/Boro are also under pressure. Add in downward pressure on transfer fees, contracts and loan deals and our EFL imposed salary cap of £16m should allow us to be competitive.


It just depends on what our wage bill would be if all the out of contract players leave in the summer.


If we stay up we'll have a great chance of being able to meet the business plan agreed with the EFL. Go down and we'll likely drop again as our academy crop aren't great bar a couple of players.

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