CONFIMRED - Matt Miazga

[muirinho]

All on loan. Doesn't solve the problem for next season. This is akin to Steve Clarke's reign in reverse. Short termism.

Thing is should we go down we have to cut back heavily and signing 5 permanent players is out of the equation.

It's a sensible move from Gomes and personally, I think it will work

^this

works best for us in our position, and works best for the players, given our position.
none of them would sign a contract at a club who looks likely to be relegated to the 3rd tier

Agreed. Also - if you sign loan players at the start of the season, they may have different expectations. Any player coming in now knows exactly why they are here, so presumably are up for a relegation fight, even if it may not affect them personally.

That's not to say they will be any good at it, but at least they are interested.

[Nameless]

Although signing loan players from Chelsea is always a huge risk. Theyaren’t Playing for anything other than their guaranteed wage packet. They know they are just a commodity and will go from one loan deal to another just to oil the financial wheels at Stamford Bridge.

[Denver Royal]

All on loan. Doesn't solve the problem for next season. This is akin to Steve Clarke's reign in reverse. Short termism.

Thing is should we go down we have to cut back heavily and signing 5 permanent players is out of the equation.

It's a sensible move from Gomes and personally, I think it will work

Would be interesting to hear what Lower West’s approach would be that would make more sens than the loan approach.
1. Sign no one ?
2. Commit to 2-3 year contracts with the ongoing financial implications, and assuming the right quality of player would sign on that basis
Not sure either of those 2 make sense
As long as it is being done strategically, with a couple of plans in place for the summer depending on what division we are in.

Don't hold your breath.

[Snowflake Royal]

Although signing loan players from Chelsea is always a huge risk. Theyaren’t Playing for anything other than their guaranteed wage packet. They know they are just a commodity and will go from one loan deal to another just to oil the financial wheels at Stamford Bridge.

Chelsea are the worst example of hoarding young talent, throwing money at them and setting them up to fail IMO.

There are certainly good Chelsea youth signings, but they're not exactly the norm.

[Lower West]

Would be interesting to hear what Lower West’s approach would be that would make more sens than the loan approach.

Done enough speculating. Time for the team to do the talking. Soon find out if the loanees have the right apptitude for a dog fight. Just seems like a one last throw of the dice to avoid relegation. If we were to be relegated concern must be what interest the Chinese owners would still have in the club. As a million miles away from the riches of the Premiership. Even if we stay up there's not a core backbone of a team. There's no long term plans. Throwing money around seems to be the way of football these days.

[ayjaydee]

Although signing loan players from Chelsea is always a huge risk. Theyaren’t Playing for anything other than their guaranteed wage packet. They know they are just a commodity and will go from one loan deal to another just to oil the financial wheels at Stamford Bridge.

Chelsea are the worst example of hoarding young talent, throwing money at them and setting them up to fail IMO.

There are certainly good Chelsea youth signings, but they're not exactly the norm.

The three that I recall coming to us all had decent spells at Reading and have gone on to have decent prem careers - Bertrand, Chalobah, Ake, so maybe as far as we are concerned they may well be the norm.

[Snowflake Royal]

Although signing loan players from Chelsea is always a huge risk. Theyaren’t Playing for anything other than their guaranteed wage packet. They know they are just a commodity and will go from one loan deal to another just to oil the financial wheels at Stamford Bridge.

Chelsea are the worst example of hoarding young talent, throwing money at them and setting them up to fail IMO.

There are certainly good Chelsea youth signings, but they're not exactly the norm.

The three that I recall coming to us all had decent spells at Reading and have gone on to have decent prem careers - Bertrand, Chalobah, Ake, so maybe as far as we are concerned they may well be the norm.

Bertrand was superb. Chalobah was pretty decent. Ake didn't really do a lot IMO. Swift's not a loan obvs, but he's been distinctly hit and miss.

Hopeful for Miazga.

[Simon's Church]

Wasn't ake man of the match in about 3 games in the month he was here?

Piazon the only other Chelsea loan I can think of

[SCIAG]

Can't believe everyone has forgotten the great Michael Hector.

Also if we're holding Swift against Chelsea then we have to give them full credit for the many hours of joy we got from watching Shaun Cummings.

[CountryRoyal]

Also if we're holding Swift against Chelsea then we have to give them full credit for the many hours of joy we got from watching Shaun Cummings.

True but he did more in that Cardiff game then half our squad has done all career.

[Ascotexgunner]

Can't believe everyone has forgotten the great Michael Hector.

Also if we're holding Swift against Chelsea then we have to give them full credit for the many hours of joy we got from watching Shaun Cummings.

Hector is still a Chelsea player. Nearly 4 years and still a loanee. Snowflake is right, Chelsea are a f*cking disgrace at wrecking young players careers. The talented youngsters will never get the time spent on them that they would get at a lower league club, or lower PL team. You wonder why they bother when you see them spend so much money on players that are utter averageness at times.
Ampadu would walk into most PL first 11s but only makes the bench now and again and gets the odd cup game. Scummy club.

[SCIAG]

I really don't think it makes a difference whether Hector (for example) spends his career moving between the Championship and Bundesliga on loan every year, or between Championship clubs every few years.

The ones who are potentially having their careers ruined are the ones who don't get the football they could get otherwise. But someone like Piazon? Eh.

Ampadu is younger than Danny Loader - let's not act like Chelsea are uniquely bad at giving young players opportunities. In fact if you're an 18 year old footballer then Chelsea is probably one of the best places to be, you might not get into their first team but you're probably still going to be a pro in 5 years, unlike at Reading.

[Denver Royal]

Even if we stay up there's not a core backbone of a team.

You keep saying that recently, yet I don’t recall you saying much about it previously. Are you trying to hang that on Gomes’ when he’s just arrived here?
More importantly, is your assertion a statement by you (inadvertently?), that the important window of last Summer was basically crap? (Which, a few of us called at the time).
You were asked how Gomes could somehow be expected to make long term permanent 'core' signings in this (short) Jan window?
All Gomes has done is add a few loanees, and tried to get rid of a few (who most everyone thinks should be gone anyway).