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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 19 Jun 2019 20:00

Hound yeah roughly how I see it. Kelly won't be in I doubt though, more likely to be Olise/Loader or East

Still gives you a bench of Baldock, GMac, McIntyre, Novakovich, Richards, Ward - and possibly McNulty, Kelly, Meyler +the other youth lads.

It isn't a relegation team to me, but obviously lacks depth. Need a new CB probably and a CM certainly. Can't see us getting above 14th at best

You all know I don't rate Swift, but looking at that it's painfully obvious that he's the most valuable player we could most afford to lose.

Moore is crucial there is no other senior specialist CB.
Barrow's competition is a bit limited, but in AM we could play Loader, Olise, McNulty, Baldock, maybe Barrett or Novakovich.

We could sell Swift and potentially fund a CB and a midfielder of decent perm or loan quality. Provided we could find a mug to pay upwards of £3m for him.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by URZZZZ » 19 Jun 2019 23:45

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Hound yeah roughly how I see it. Kelly won't be in I doubt though, more likely to be Olise/Loader or East

Still gives you a bench of Baldock, GMac, McIntyre, Novakovich, Richards, Ward - and possibly McNulty, Kelly, Meyler +the other youth lads.

It isn't a relegation team to me, but obviously lacks depth. Need a new CB probably and a CM certainly. Can't see us getting above 14th at best

You all know I don't rate Swift, but looking at that it's painfully obvious that he's the most valuable player we could most afford to lose.

Moore is crucial there is no other senior specialist CB.
Barrow's competition is a bit limited, but in AM we could play Loader, Olise, McNulty, Baldock, maybe Barrett or Novakovich.

We could sell Swift and potentially fund a CB and a midfielder of decent perm or loan quality. Provided we could find a mug to pay upwards of £3m for him.


Saw something by the "Blades analytics" account earlier that Swift is one of the only players who are above average in the league in progressive passes, runs, non penalty xG and xA P90. Was the only Reading player mentioned

Said before, I dislike using stats to form arguments apart from obvious conclusive ones (such as goals scored, goals conceded etc). But still found it interesting, I was rather surprised by this

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 20 Jun 2019 07:03

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Hound yeah roughly how I see it. Kelly won't be in I doubt though, more likely to be Olise/Loader or East

Still gives you a bench of Baldock, GMac, McIntyre, Novakovich, Richards, Ward - and possibly McNulty, Kelly, Meyler +the other youth lads.

It isn't a relegation team to me, but obviously lacks depth. Need a new CB probably and a CM certainly. Can't see us getting above 14th at best

You all know I don't rate Swift, but looking at that it's painfully obvious that he's the most valuable player we could most afford to lose.

Moore is crucial there is no other senior specialist CB.
Barrow's competition is a bit limited, but in AM we could play Loader, Olise, McNulty, Baldock, maybe Barrett or Novakovich.

We could sell Swift and potentially fund a CB and a midfielder of decent perm or loan quality. Provided we could find a mug to pay upwards of £3m for him.


It’s an interesting one Ian. In many ways I don’t disagree, Swift is probably the easiest to replace with a prem loan - Ejaria, Izzy Brown etc

However I do think he is very much a Gomes player. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is pretty much the first name on the team sheet. As said a while ago his stats are actually pretty good

It depends very much on who is willing to pay what. I’m sure they all have a value on their head that if matched we’ll sell.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by NewCorkSeth » 20 Jun 2019 08:12

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Hound yeah roughly how I see it. Kelly won't be in I doubt though, more likely to be Olise/Loader or East

Still gives you a bench of Baldock, GMac, McIntyre, Novakovich, Richards, Ward - and possibly McNulty, Kelly, Meyler +the other youth lads.

It isn't a relegation team to me, but obviously lacks depth. Need a new CB probably and a CM certainly. Can't see us getting above 14th at best

You all know I don't rate Swift, but looking at that it's painfully obvious that he's the most valuable player we could most afford to lose.

Moore is crucial there is no other senior specialist CB.
Barrow's competition is a bit limited, but in AM we could play Loader, Olise, McNulty, Baldock, maybe Barrett or Novakovich.

We could sell Swift and potentially fund a CB and a midfielder of decent perm or loan quality. Provided we could find a mug to pay upwards of £3m for him.


Saw something by the "Blades analytics" account earlier that Swift is one of the only players who are above average in the league in progressive passes, runs, non penalty xG and xA P90. Was the only Reading player mentioned

Said before, I dislike using stats to form arguments apart from obvious conclusive ones (such as goals scored, goals conceded etc). But still found it interesting, I was rather surprised by this

I saw that too. It's interesting how stats and by extension a players effect on the game around him can be so vastly different from what people see. Many on here think of him as a lazy player who isnt strong enough or determined enough to succeed in the championship. I also dont think stats (particularly expected goals) are a great metric for rating players but it does highlight how effective he is at what he does.

The "1 or 2 good passes a game" he pulls off are passes most players cant.

I also agree with Ian that he is easily our most saleable asset. No other player in our team (bar Moore) could fetch near what we should get for him.

So I guess given the lack of any other news this is our best topic for debate. Do we sell our very effective and obviously skilled creative player to reinforce the squad in areas we badly need it or do we plug the holes with academy players and hope for the best?

I'm really on the fence here despite my love for Swift. Could Loader, Barrett and Olise do a decent job in his position? Maybe. Would they do better there than Holmes, Osho and McIntyre would do at CB? Also maybe..

Super tough call.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 20 Jun 2019 09:12

again not sure its a tough call as such - its whoever someone else wants to buy

If someone stumps up 8m for Moore, we should sell. If someone stumps up 5m for Swift, we should sell, same rules for Meite, Barrow, Loader etc


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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by NewCorkSeth » 20 Jun 2019 09:15

Hound again not sure its a tough call as such - its whoever someone else wants to buy

If someone stumps up 8m for Moore, we should sell. If someone stumps up 5m for Swift, we should sell, same rules for Meite, Barrow, Loader etc

At the moment, for me, Moore is a keep at all costs. 8 million last summer is a good offer. One I wouldn't be too upset about. This summer hes our only senior CB and likely our captain. We could not replace him and buy another CB for 8 million. Selling him would be shooting ourselves in both feet.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 20 Jun 2019 09:17

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Hound again not sure its a tough call as such - its whoever someone else wants to buy

If someone stumps up 8m for Moore, we should sell. If someone stumps up 5m for Swift, we should sell, same rules for Meite, Barrow, Loader etc

At the moment, for me, Moore is a keep at all costs. 8 million last summer is a good offer. One I wouldn't be too upset about. This summer hes our only senior CB and likely our captain. We could not replace him and buy another CB for 8 million. Selling him would be shooting ourselves in both feet.


could genuinely be that or a 9 point deduction though. He is obviously quality, but you could argue you can then pair up Blackett or McIntyre with a decent free or loan along the lines of Bauer (obvs too late), Elphick (not actually him) or Miazga.

Selling him would massively improve our finances, possibly to the tune of 10m

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by windermereROYAL » 20 Jun 2019 09:22

Moore is very probably to biggest earner at the club after Gormless gave him a bumper contract last summer to keep him here, it would be a huge weight off our financial shoulders if we let him go.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by NewCorkSeth » 20 Jun 2019 09:25

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Hound again not sure its a tough call as such - its whoever someone else wants to buy

If someone stumps up 8m for Moore, we should sell. If someone stumps up 5m for Swift, we should sell, same rules for Meite, Barrow, Loader etc

At the moment, for me, Moore is a keep at all costs. 8 million last summer is a good offer. One I wouldn't be too upset about. This summer hes our only senior CB and likely our captain. We could not replace him and buy another CB for 8 million. Selling him would be shooting ourselves in both feet.


could genuinely be that or a 9 point deduction though. He is obviously quality, but you could argue you can then pair up Blackett or McIntyre with a decent free or loan along the lines of Bauer (obvs too late), Elphick (not actually him) or Miazga.

Selling him would massively improve our finances, possibly to the tune of 10m

Genuinely forgot about Balckett.. not as bad as I initially thought but still not a clear cut decision for me. Selling Moore is equivalent to a 9 point deduction.

Blackett improved but hardly shines and if he was our most senior CB then I would be very worried about our backline.

Our 3 yunguns might come good but considering how impatient our fans were with Cooper and his mistakes I cant imagine it will take long for them to turn on our untested trio.

Also you have to consider the message it sends to Gomes. "We couldn't move on any of the crap you dont want but we have to sell one of your best players and leader in the dressing room. Good luck"


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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 20 Jun 2019 09:35

yeah the leadership thing is definitely an issue. The rest of the team hardly screams motivation. Esp when you take Nelson, Miazga, Baker and Emi out who were all vocal

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Jun 2019 12:44

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Hound yeah roughly how I see it. Kelly won't be in I doubt though, more likely to be Olise/Loader or East

Still gives you a bench of Baldock, GMac, McIntyre, Novakovich, Richards, Ward - and possibly McNulty, Kelly, Meyler +the other youth lads.

It isn't a relegation team to me, but obviously lacks depth. Need a new CB probably and a CM certainly. Can't see us getting above 14th at best

You all know I don't rate Swift, but looking at that it's painfully obvious that he's the most valuable player we could most afford to lose.

Moore is crucial there is no other senior specialist CB.
Barrow's competition is a bit limited, but in AM we could play Loader, Olise, McNulty, Baldock, maybe Barrett or Novakovich.

We could sell Swift and potentially fund a CB and a midfielder of decent perm or loan quality. Provided we could find a mug to pay upwards of £3m for him.


It’s an interesting one Ian. In many ways I don’t disagree, Swift is probably the easiest to replace with a prem loan - Ejaria, Izzy Brown etc

However I do think he is very much a Gomes player. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is pretty much the first name on the team sheet. As said a while ago his stats are actually pretty good

It depends very much on who is willing to pay what. I’m sure they all have a value on their head that if matched we’ll sell.

I don't know a lot about those stats so I'll view with scepticism, partly because I don't think my issues with swift are very easily measured by stats.

I guess my point is just that if you ranked players on likely fee, chances of anyone paying it, wages and replacebility, I can't think of anyone of a decent value, of decent wages that anyone might want who we could as easily replace.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Jun 2019 12:53

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Hound again not sure its a tough call as such - its whoever someone else wants to buy

If someone stumps up 8m for Moore, we should sell. If someone stumps up 5m for Swift, we should sell, same rules for Meite, Barrow, Loader etc

At the moment, for me, Moore is a keep at all costs. 8 million last summer is a good offer. One I wouldn't be too upset about. This summer hes our only senior CB and likely our captain. We could not replace him and buy another CB for 8 million. Selling him would be shooting ourselves in both feet.

Conflicted on Moore, financially we should be pimping him left right and centre, likely highest value, likelt highest wage. But he's the only proper senior CB we have so losing him means an completely new central defence. That's dangerous. Especially with a new keeper.

We need to be trying to get rid of the dross... But for my mind we also need to try to shift someone of actual value too, rather than waiting for the lottery of who we get approached for.

Proactively try to sell Swift for £4m and succeed and we can reject £9m for Moore.

I just don't see who we could possibly sell for more than £2m other than Moore, Swift and Barrow.

Baldock, Kelly, and Bod might get close.

Rinomhota, Novakovich and Meite probably, but we should try to keep them at all costs. Lower wages, lots of future potential and value only likely to rise.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 20 Jun 2019 13:47

Snowflake Royal , partly because I don't think my issues with swift are very easily measured by stats.


yep looking like a pretty boy and having a flash haircut don't come up in the stats


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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by URZZZZ » 20 Jun 2019 15:24

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Snowflake Royal , partly because I don't think my issues with swift are very easily measured by stats.


yep looking like a pretty boy and having a flash haircut don't come up in the stats


Scoring 4 league goals in 2 seasons do though :wink:

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by NewCorkSeth » 20 Jun 2019 15:32

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Snowflake Royal , partly because I don't think my issues with swift are very easily measured by stats.


yep looking like a pretty boy and having a flash haircut don't come up in the stats


Scoring 4 league goals in 2 seasons do though :wink:

You looking for a fight mister?

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by leon » 20 Jun 2019 17:29

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Hound yeah roughly how I see it. Kelly won't be in I doubt though, more likely to be Olise/Loader or East

Still gives you a bench of Baldock, GMac, McIntyre, Novakovich, Richards, Ward - and possibly McNulty, Kelly, Meyler +the other youth lads.

It isn't a relegation team to me, but obviously lacks depth. Need a new CB probably and a CM certainly. Can't see us getting above 14th at best

You all know I don't rate Swift, but looking at that it's painfully obvious that he's the most valuable player we could most afford to lose.

Moore is crucial there is no other senior specialist CB.
Barrow's competition is a bit limited, but in AM we could play Loader, Olise, McNulty, Baldock, maybe Barrett or Novakovich.

We could sell Swift and potentially fund a CB and a midfielder of decent perm or loan quality. Provided we could find a mug to pay upwards of £3m for him.


It’s an interesting one Ian. In many ways I don’t disagree, Swift is probably the easiest to replace with a prem loan - Ejaria, Izzy Brown etc

However I do think he is very much a Gomes player. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is pretty much the first name on the team sheet. As said a while ago his stats are actually pretty good

It depends very much on who is willing to pay what. I’m sure they all have a value on their head that if matched we’ll sell.


Put 2 aggressive mobile tackling midfielders either side and we might get the best out of him.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 20 Jun 2019 17:39

Well Rino is one

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by URZZZZ » 20 Jun 2019 18:10

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yep looking like a pretty boy and having a flash haircut don't come up in the stats


Scoring 4 league goals in 2 seasons do though :wink:

You looking for a fight mister?


Hopefully you’ll show as much fight as Swift does :wink:

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Jun 2019 19:41

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Snowflake Royal , partly because I don't think my issues with swift are very easily measured by stats.


yep looking like a pretty boy and having a flash haircut don't come up in the stats

That wasn't the first thing I had in mind but you're not wrong.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Jun 2019 19:43

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Snowflake Royal You all know I don't rate Swift, but looking at that it's painfully obvious that he's the most valuable player we could most afford to lose.

Moore is crucial there is no other senior specialist CB.
Barrow's competition is a bit limited, but in AM we could play Loader, Olise, McNulty, Baldock, maybe Barrett or Novakovich.

We could sell Swift and potentially fund a CB and a midfielder of decent perm or loan quality. Provided we could find a mug to pay upwards of £3m for him.


It’s an interesting one Ian. In many ways I don’t disagree, Swift is probably the easiest to replace with a prem loan - Ejaria, Izzy Brown etc

However I do think he is very much a Gomes player. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is pretty much the first name on the team sheet. As said a while ago his stats are actually pretty good

It depends very much on who is willing to pay what. I’m sure they all have a value on their head that if matched we’ll sell.


Put 2 aggressive mobile tackling midfielders either side and we might get the best out of him.

Yep, only way he plays for me. My fear is he partners Rino and, for example, Loader sits ahead of them.

That's soft.

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