MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by leon » 04 Dec 2021 23:09

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Not that that’s saying much.


They did due to their high confidence levels. Often better to be confident and a bit shit than good and have none.


Err so they weren’t “shit”. I thought they did ok.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2021 09:34

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Not that that’s saying much.


They did due to their high confidence levels. Often better to be confident and a bit shit than good and have none.


Err so they weren’t “shit”. I thought they did ok.

Same. Far from the worst side I've seen us play this season.

Got in behind us a fair bit. Played some decent football. Two offside goals.

Hull were decent.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by windermereROYAL » 05 Dec 2021 10:02

The difference between Hull and ourselves was they were getting in early crosses to their big men, unlike us fannying around on the edge of the box.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by leon » 05 Dec 2021 11:23

windermereROYAL The difference between Hull and ourselves was they were getting in early crosses to their big men, unlike us fannying around on the edge of the box.


I watched MOTD yesterday and the difference in pace was staggering. We fart about with the ball.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Zip » 05 Dec 2021 11:25

windermereROYAL The difference between Hull and ourselves was they were getting in early crosses to their big men, unlike us fannying around on the edge of the box.


They had a natural winger though. We don’t. It makes all the difference. Have been saying for this for a long long time.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2021 11:33

Our tempo is usually much better with Hal and Swift combining, but both were off their game. Hal only just back from injury though.

Only real tempo came from TDB on the left. He's really found his feet again with Rahman out there able to cut inside and run at the box.

Think the combination of having to come in on his left foot and Yiadom being more swashbuckling than Rahman left him a bit lost on the right.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Zip » 05 Dec 2021 11:38

Snowflake Royal Our tempo is usually much better with Hal and Swift combining, but both were off their game. Hal only just back from injury though.

Only real tempo came from TDB on the left. He's really found his feet again with Rahman out there able to cut inside and run at the box.

Think the combination of having to come in on his left foot and Yiadom being more swashbuckling than Rahman left him a bit lost on the right.



Halilovic needs to learn to tackle. Hie was shirking challenges yesterday. I don’t expect him to be a ballwinner but I would expect him to at least compete for the ball. He was also beaten far too easily. A luxury player. If Azeez is fit he should start ahead of him next week.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2021 11:43

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Snowflake Royal Our tempo is usually much better with Hal and Swift combining, but both were off their game. Hal only just back from injury though.

Only real tempo came from TDB on the left. He's really found his feet again with Rahman out there able to cut inside and run at the box.

Think the combination of having to come in on his left foot and Yiadom being more swashbuckling than Rahman left him a bit lost on the right.



Halilovic needs to learn to tackle. Hie was shirking challenges yesterday. I don’t expect him to be a ballwinner but I would expect him to at least compete for the ball. He was also beaten far too easily. A luxury player. If Azeez is fit he should start ahead of him next week.

Yeah, he could do with working harder defensively, but we're so much better as a team with him in the side he's a luxury I don't mind. Especially when he's pretty much the only one.

At least while he builds his fitness back up.

It's a consistent trait of wingers you're so desperate for us to have.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2021 12:10

Just want to say credit to Josh Laurent btw.

He's not had the best season in midfield after last season's heroics. But he's really shown greatly improved discipline screening the defence the last couple of games and not rampaging forward the way we know he loves.

Sacrificed himself for the team and as a result, we and he have been better.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Zip » 05 Dec 2021 14:04

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Snowflake Royal Our tempo is usually much better with Hal and Swift combining, but both were off their game. Hal only just back from injury though.

Only real tempo came from TDB on the left. He's really found his feet again with Rahman out there able to cut inside and run at the box.

Think the combination of having to come in on his left foot and Yiadom being more swashbuckling than Rahman left him a bit lost on the right.



Halilovic needs to learn to tackle. Hie was shirking challenges yesterday. I don’t expect him to be a ballwinner but I would expect him to at least compete for the ball. He was also beaten far too easily. A luxury player. If Azeez is fit he should start ahead of him next week.

Yeah, he could do with working harder defensively, but we're so much better as a team with him in the side he's a luxury I don't mind. Especially when he's pretty much the only one.

At least while he builds his fitness back up.

It's a consistent trait of wingers you're so desperate for us to have.


It doesn’t have to be a trait. The best Reading sides had decent wingers most of whom would attempt a tackle.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2021 14:35

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Halilovic needs to learn to tackle. Hie was shirking challenges yesterday. I don’t expect him to be a ballwinner but I would expect him to at least compete for the ball. He was also beaten far too easily. A luxury player. If Azeez is fit he should start ahead of him next week.

Yeah, he could do with working harder defensively, but we're so much better as a team with him in the side he's a luxury I don't mind. Especially when he's pretty much the only one.

At least while he builds his fitness back up.

It's a consistent trait of wingers you're so desperate for us to have.


It doesn’t have to be a trait. The best Reading sides had decent wingers most of whom would attempt a tackle.

Of course not every winger is the same. But the best Reading sides have had GREAT wingers. And even the likes of Kebe started out without that defensive work ethic. The majority aren't much cop at defensive work, at least to start with. If you want wingers, it should be a compromise you're willing to accept.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Zip » 05 Dec 2021 15:24

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Snowflake Royal Yeah, he could do with working harder defensively, but we're so much better as a team with him in the side he's a luxury I don't mind. Especially when he's pretty much the only one.

At least while he builds his fitness back up.

It's a consistent trait of wingers you're so desperate for us to have.


It doesn’t have to be a trait. The best Reading sides had decent wingers most of whom would attempt a tackle.

Of course not every winger is the same. But the best Reading sides have had GREAT wingers. And even the likes of Kebe started out without that defensive work ethic. The majority aren't much cop at defensive work, at least to start with. If you want wingers, it should be a compromise you're willing to accept.



I disagree. Wingers shouldn’t be exempt from such a basic part of the game as tackling.
Kebe learnt how to defend having been abject at that part of the game to begin with.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2021 19:21

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It doesn’t have to be a trait. The best Reading sides had decent wingers most of whom would attempt a tackle.

Of course not every winger is the same. But the best Reading sides have had GREAT wingers. And even the likes of Kebe started out without that defensive work ethic. The majority aren't much cop at defensive work, at least to start with. If you want wingers, it should be a compromise you're willing to accept.



I disagree. Wingers shouldn’t be exempt from such a basic part of the game as tackling.
Kebe learnt how to defend having been abject at that part of the game to begin with.

Never said they should be exempt, but defensive weakness is a very common trait in wingers and pretending otherwise is daft, and you're constantly desperate for wingers. And you're basically going off at Hal for one maybe two games in his first few months for us.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Zip » 05 Dec 2021 19:47

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Snowflake Royal Of course not every winger is the same. But the best Reading sides have had GREAT wingers. And even the likes of Kebe started out without that defensive work ethic. The majority aren't much cop at defensive work, at least to start with. If you want wingers, it should be a compromise you're willing to accept.



I disagree. Wingers shouldn’t be exempt from such a basic part of the game as tackling.
Kebe learnt how to defend having been abject at that part of the game to begin with.

Never said they should be exempt, but defensive weakness is a very common trait in wingers and pretending otherwise is daft, and you're constantly desperate for wingers. And you're basically going off at Hal for one maybe two games in his first few months for us.



It’s irrelevant that this is only his second game back, He should not be shirking tackles,

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by SCIAG » 05 Dec 2021 20:26

Whenever I see people talking about "Hal" I think they mean Robson-Kanu.

Now there was a winger who couldn't defend.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by tidus_mi2 » 05 Dec 2021 20:33

SCIAG Whenever I see people talking about "Hal" I think they mean Robson-Kanu.

Now there was a winger who couldn't defend.

And then he does a oxf*rd Cruyff Turn goal against Belgium after he'd left Reading.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Hound » 06 Dec 2021 09:04

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windermereROYAL The difference between Hull and ourselves was they were getting in early crosses to their big men, unlike us fannying around on the edge of the box.


They had a natural winger though. We don’t. It makes all the difference. Have been saying for this for a long long time.


Not like they exactly caused problems with it though was it? 2 shots on target, one being the speculative long range thing that would have been saved 99 times out of 100. Think we'd rather teams cross it in for Holmes, Dann and Laurent to head away than run at us. Can't think of any effort from them that went close at all tbh outside of that

Guessing Hoilett if deployed correctly could be pretty useful second half of the season. Natural width and presumably can cross a ball pretty well. AH has talent but he was pretty rancid on Saturday in all aspects. Swift was poor but with him he still worked hard, won a few tackles and caused them trouble (and should have won a pen).

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Zip » 06 Dec 2021 09:10

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windermereROYAL The difference between Hull and ourselves was they were getting in early crosses to their big men, unlike us fannying around on the edge of the box.


They had a natural winger though. We don’t. It makes all the difference. Have been saying for this for a long long time.


Not like they exactly caused problems with it though was it? 2 shots on target, one being the speculative long range thing that would have been saved 99 times out of 100. Think we'd rather teams cross it in for Holmes, Dann and Laurent to head away than run at us. Can't think of any effort from them that went close at all tbh outside of that

Guessing Hoilett if deployed correctly could be pretty useful second half of the season. Natural width and presumably can cross a ball pretty well. AH has talent but he was pretty rancid on Saturday in all aspects. Swift was poor but with him he still worked hard, won a few tackles and caused them trouble (and should have won a pen).


Their no 11 caused all sorts of problems. He had the beating of both Yids and Rahman and put in some decent crosses and won corners (which we struggled to clear in the first half). Didn’t think much of Hull’s strikers though.

Yes Hoilett on the wing would be good. Play him in his natural position.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Hendo » 06 Dec 2021 09:13

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They had a natural winger though. We don’t. It makes all the difference. Have been saying for this for a long long time.


Not like they exactly caused problems with it though was it? 2 shots on target, one being the speculative long range thing that would have been saved 99 times out of 100. Think we'd rather teams cross it in for Holmes, Dann and Laurent to head away than run at us. Can't think of any effort from them that went close at all tbh outside of that

Guessing Hoilett if deployed correctly could be pretty useful second half of the season. Natural width and presumably can cross a ball pretty well. AH has talent but he was pretty rancid on Saturday in all aspects. Swift was poor but with him he still worked hard, won a few tackles and caused them trouble (and should have won a pen).


Their no 11 caused all sorts of problems. He had the beating of both Yids and Rahman and put in some decent crosses and won corners (which we struggled to clear in the first half). Didn’t think much of Hull’s strikers though.

Yes Hoilett on the wing would be good. Play him in his natural position.


Agree with the bolded bit. Even though he scored (which he really shouldn't have done anyway), I thought their no. 7 was absolute garbage.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Hull City (h)

by Zip » 06 Dec 2021 09:15

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Not like they exactly caused problems with it though was it? 2 shots on target, one being the speculative long range thing that would have been saved 99 times out of 100. Think we'd rather teams cross it in for Holmes, Dann and Laurent to head away than run at us. Can't think of any effort from them that went close at all tbh outside of that

Guessing Hoilett if deployed correctly could be pretty useful second half of the season. Natural width and presumably can cross a ball pretty well. AH has talent but he was pretty rancid on Saturday in all aspects. Swift was poor but with him he still worked hard, won a few tackles and caused them trouble (and should have won a pen).


Their no 11 caused all sorts of problems. He had the beating of both Yids and Rahman and put in some decent crosses and won corners (which we struggled to clear in the first half). Didn’t think much of Hull’s strikers though.

Yes Hoilett on the wing would be good. Play him in his natural position.


Agree with the bolded bit. Even though he scored (which he really shouldn't have done anyway), I thought their no. 7 was absolute garbage.


He was terrible. Several good chances ballooned over the bar.

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