by andrew1957 » 04 May 2022 20:37
by Zip » 04 May 2022 21:14
by Lower West » 04 May 2022 21:51
by Snowflake Royal » 04 May 2022 23:39
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'Relatively' being the operative word. When compared to some of the other misery we've had to endure (which wasn't always entirely down to the guy in post at the time).
And that 'relative success' came at a price - some of the most boring, unexciting, negative football I've had to endure in return for relatively (compared to Stam's record) few points.
The football was less gormless than Gomes, less clueless than Clement and less porous than Pauno beyond about Xmas 2020.
Or in other words, better.
Don't agree...the football from day one was turgid, I'll give you Clement maybe.
And when we were safe he couldn't motivate the players who downed tools and it wasn't 2 games like Ince it was at least half a dozen
Been amazing at Wimbledon too...not even a new manager bounce of one game....
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 05 May 2022 08:46
Snowflake RoyalMid Sussex RoyalSnowflake Royal The football was less gormless than Gomes, less clueless than Clement and less porous than Pauno beyond about Xmas 2020.
Or in other words, better.
Don't agree...the football from day one was turgid, I'll give you Clement maybe.
And when we were safe he couldn't motivate the players who downed tools and it wasn't 2 games like Ince it was at least half a dozen
Been amazing at Wimbledon too...not even a new manager bounce of one game....
Yeah the season ended badly, but then Ince didn't get safe with more than 2 games to go and didn’t have a couple months off because of Covid mid season.
by Snowflake Royal » 05 May 2022 09:52
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Don't agree...the football from day one was turgid, I'll give you Clement maybe.
And when we were safe he couldn't motivate the players who downed tools and it wasn't 2 games like Ince it was at least half a dozen
Been amazing at Wimbledon too...not even a new manager bounce of one game....
Yeah the season ended badly, but then Ince didn't get safe with more than 2 games to go and didn’t have a couple months off because of Covid mid season.
Bowen did come in a fair few months earlier than what Ince did though. Was it before 10 games were even played when Bowen came in? Ince came in after we played more than 30? At a guess.
by URZZZZ » 05 May 2022 11:58
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'Relatively' being the operative word. When compared to some of the other misery we've had to endure (which wasn't always entirely down to the guy in post at the time).
And that 'relative success' came at a price - some of the most boring, unexciting, negative football I've had to endure in return for relatively (compared to Stam's record) few points.
The football was less gormless than Gomes, less clueless than Clement and less porous than Pauno beyond about Xmas 2020.
Or in other words, better.
Don't agree...the football from day one was turgid, I'll give you Clement maybe.
And when we were safe he couldn't motivate the players who downed tools and it wasn't 2 games like Ince it was at least half a dozen
Been amazing at Wimbledon too...not even a new manager bounce of one game....
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 05 May 2022 12:20
URZZZZMid Sussex RoyalSnowflake Royal The football was less gormless than Gomes, less clueless than Clement and less porous than Pauno beyond about Xmas 2020.
Or in other words, better.
Don't agree...the football from day one was turgid, I'll give you Clement maybe.
And when we were safe he couldn't motivate the players who downed tools and it wasn't 2 games like Ince it was at least half a dozen
Been amazing at Wimbledon too...not even a new manager bounce of one game....
The same Wimbledon who were winless in 21 games before he arrived? Not entirely surprising he didn’t get a manager bounce!
Agreed the football was pretty dire the last few months but then these players do have history of downing tools when the tough gets going
by URZZZZ » 05 May 2022 12:32
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Don't agree...the football from day one was turgid, I'll give you Clement maybe.
And when we were safe he couldn't motivate the players who downed tools and it wasn't 2 games like Ince it was at least half a dozen
Been amazing at Wimbledon too...not even a new manager bounce of one game....
The same Wimbledon who were winless in 21 games before he arrived? Not entirely surprising he didn’t get a manager bounce!
Agreed the football was pretty dire the last few months but then these players do have history of downing tools when the tough gets going
This gets mentioned a fair bit and yet we seem to survive every season? I know we fell away last season which may be an argument in favour of "downing tools", but I think that goes further than players just downing tools personally anyway.
Under Gomes, the players showed the fight, under Bowen they did and under Ince now we have in some pretty dire moments. Yes, it was all short-lived but it was always enough.
by Snowflake Royal » 05 May 2022 12:53
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The same Wimbledon who were winless in 21 games before he arrived? Not entirely surprising he didn’t get a manager bounce!
Agreed the football was pretty dire the last few months but then these players do have history of downing tools when the tough gets going
This gets mentioned a fair bit and yet we seem to survive every season? I know we fell away last season which may be an argument in favour of "downing tools", but I think that goes further than players just downing tools personally anyway.
Under Gomes, the players showed the fight, under Bowen they did and under Ince now we have in some pretty dire moments. Yes, it was all short-lived but it was always enough.
Yes, the players seem to down tools at certain points in the season. I didn’t mention anything about survival
1 win in 18 under Stam
1 win in 15 the season after
2020 big loss of form after the Fulham win
Last season’s collapse
Losing 8 in a row this season
Perhaps you’re right and it’s too easy to label it as players “downing tools” but think it’s more than just a case of momentum as there’s been some awful runs in there. Remember a certain Liam Kelly saying the squad always knew they were “too good to go down”. Says enough
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 05 May 2022 14:58
URZZZZYorkshireRoyal99URZZZZ
The same Wimbledon who were winless in 21 games before he arrived? Not entirely surprising he didn’t get a manager bounce!
Agreed the football was pretty dire the last few months but then these players do have history of downing tools when the tough gets going
This gets mentioned a fair bit and yet we seem to survive every season? I know we fell away last season which may be an argument in favour of "downing tools", but I think that goes further than players just downing tools personally anyway.
Under Gomes, the players showed the fight, under Bowen they did and under Ince now we have in some pretty dire moments. Yes, it was all short-lived but it was always enough.
Yes, the players seem to down tools at certain points in the season. I didn’t mention anything about survival
1 win in 18 under Stam
1 win in 15 the season after
2020 big loss of form after the Fulham win
Last season’s collapse
Losing 8 in a row this season
Perhaps you’re right and it’s too easy to label it as players “downing tools” but think it’s more than just a case of momentum as there’s been some awful runs in there. Remember a certain Liam Kelly saying the squad always knew they were “too good to go down”. Says enough
by morganb » 05 May 2022 16:43
by Nameless » 05 May 2022 20:42
morganb INCE PRESSER:
- Has had 'very positive' chat with Mr Dai but decision won't be made until next week.
- Six/seven current players he wants to offer deals to
- Liam Moore is back at the club with the medical department- 22/23: "he's a good player we'll see what happens"
https://mobile.twitter.com/james_e1871/ ... 6452827143
by Snowflake Royal » 06 May 2022 12:31
Namelessmorganb INCE PRESSER:
- Has had 'very positive' chat with Mr Dai but decision won't be made until next week.
- Six/seven current players he wants to offer deals to
- Liam Moore is back at the club with the medical department- 22/23: "he's a good player we'll see what happens"
https://mobile.twitter.com/james_e1871/ ... 6452827143
So who are the 6 or 7 ?
I actually think it’s fairly obvious as long as you assume he’s talking current established players.....
by Hound » 06 May 2022 12:43
by Nameless » 06 May 2022 12:50
Hound Yiadom surely
I’d be surprised if he wanted Morro and Dann on playing contracts
by Hound » 06 May 2022 12:54
by Hendo » 06 May 2022 12:54
NamelessHound Yiadom surely
I’d be surprised if he wanted Morro and Dann on playing contracts
Dann extended already though didn’t he ?
I’d think 6 would be definite
Yiadom
Holmes
Azeez
Rino
Laurent
Hoilett
Morrison I’d question unless there is a coaching option but I have no idea what his coaching credentials are. Extending Dann’s Deal looks an error as I think we need one or the other, not both.
by NathStPaul » 06 May 2022 12:56
HendoNamelessHound Yiadom surely
I’d be surprised if he wanted Morro and Dann on playing contracts
Dann extended already though didn’t he ?
I’d think 6 would be definite
Yiadom
Holmes
Azeez
Rino
Laurent
Hoilett
Morrison I’d question unless there is a coaching option but I have no idea what his coaching credentials are. Extending Dann’s Deal looks an error as I think we need one or the other, not both.
Would be very happy if we could get those 6 back.
by Hound » 06 May 2022 13:08
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