The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Simmops » 25 Jan 2021 13:47

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URZZZZ The nature of how teams set up is vastly different in the Prem to the Bundesliga

The impression I get from occasionally watching Bundesliga games (perhaps the likes of Stranded could confirm/reject this) is that the games are quite open, hence for the likes of Havertz/Minamino, there's pockets of space to play in and also for Werner, there's more space to play in behind. Compare that to the Prem, where, especially against the top teams, lower sides will form a low block, and will play deep to the extent to which there's very little room to play in, negating the likes of Werner/Havertz

I, for one, am frequently left disappointed watching Sancho play for England, and in the majority of those games, we're up against defensive teams. Yet for Dortmund, he apparently excels. It's arguably the same for Gnabry too, who struggled to get game time for both Arsenal and West Brom - yet is a regular for Bayern

Of course, it works the other way too. Onto a slight tangent but Bale and Hazard were brilliant players for Spurs and Chelsea respectively. Since they both went to the BBVA, neither have lived up to the high expectations. Always think it's generally better to look "in-house" rather than going abroad if possible


Agreed. Still blows my mind that a football club cant see that a player really excelling somewhere else is often doing so because of factors outside of themselves too. A player scoring a boatload of goals in one team may be doing so because the tactics used and other players in that team have worked hard and spent a lot of time focusing on getting the ball to them in very specific situations. You can't buy a player excelling doing a very specific thing and throw him into your team asking him to do a different role and wonder how it all went wrong.


Diego forlan comes to mind

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Simmops » 25 Jan 2021 13:50

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genome Fat Frank apparently on his way out


mental decision

3 years in management, 1.5 at the deepp end, with new players. at least give him till the end of next season


disagree. 1 year at Derby where he got them to finish on a lower points total than the manager before him, only brought into Chelsea because of the transfer ban so the fans would give the club more time, oversaw the biggest transfer window spending spree in the clubs history and now has the lowest average points per game of any manager there in 20 years with 7 of their 8 wins this season coming against teams in the bottom half

He is operating within the very top end of the football management world, you deliver or you are gone.

But he's a Chelsea and England hero!!!!

Spose Gerrard>Lampard then

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by URZZZZ » 25 Jan 2021 13:59

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URZZZZ The nature of how teams set up is vastly different in the Prem to the Bundesliga

The impression I get from occasionally watching Bundesliga games (perhaps the likes of Stranded could confirm/reject this) is that the games are quite open, hence for the likes of Havertz/Minamino, there's pockets of space to play in and also for Werner, there's more space to play in behind. Compare that to the Prem, where, especially against the top teams, lower sides will form a low block, and will play deep to the extent to which there's very little room to play in, negating the likes of Werner/Havertz

I, for one, am frequently left disappointed watching Sancho play for England, and in the majority of those games, we're up against defensive teams. Yet for Dortmund, he apparently excels. It's arguably the same for Gnabry too, who struggled to get game time for both Arsenal and West Brom - yet is a regular for Bayern

Of course, it works the other way too. Onto a slight tangent but Bale and Hazard were brilliant players for Spurs and Chelsea respectively. Since they both went to the BBVA, neither have lived up to the high expectations. Always think it's generally better to look "in-house" rather than going abroad if possible


Agreed. Still blows my mind that a football club cant see that a player really excelling somewhere else is often doing so because of factors outside of themselves too. A player scoring a boatload of goals in one team may be doing so because the tactics used and other players in that team have worked hard and spent a lot of time focusing on getting the ball to them in very specific situations. You can't buy a player excelling doing a very specific thing and throw him into your team asking him to do a different role and wonder how it all went wrong.


Yep - with the simple example being Liverpool buying players suited to their needs rather than them just needing a position and buying someone who has a good track record, irrespective of the context

United were an example of the aforementioned some time ago, with the likes of Blind, Di Maria, Falcao etc, all decent players but not necessarily suited to the Prem. In fairness to Ole, he’s become a lot more astute with respect to signings

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by RG30 » 25 Jan 2021 14:54

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RG30 Currently on no more Premier League managers to leave this season at 66/1, 40/1 & 33/1. At the prices I think it's a serious runner. I think the congested season, financial uncertainty over Coronavirus (just how quiet the transfer window is) and impact of Brexit are all being underplayed.

Lampard would be the biggest worry however it sounds like he has 3 additional matches at the very minimum and Chelsea's unwillingness to get a short term caretaker in could work in my favour.


This didn't last too long :lol:


I have been on it for a few weeks now but yes didn't envisage Lampard going so soon :wink: . Sounded like the Leicester defeat was the final straw.

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Pepe the Horseman » 26 Jan 2021 18:43

Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Winston Biscuit » 26 Jan 2021 19:48

Fulham have Brighton next and then West Brom after that. If they win one of those then Mike Ashley might start getting an itchy trigger finger

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by BR0B0T » 26 Jan 2021 21:37

Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


just came on to say this

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Pepe the Horseman » 26 Jan 2021 21:59

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Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


just came on to say this

Get out of my head lol x

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Hendo » 27 Jan 2021 08:57

Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


Rafa?


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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Pepe the Horseman » 27 Jan 2021 09:55

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Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


Rafa?

I'd love Rafa to go back there and take them down. Thought he did an extremely average job last time, but their fans worshipped him.

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by URZZZZ » 27 Jan 2021 09:58

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Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


Rafa?

I'd love Rafa to go back there and take them down. Thought he did an extremely average job last time, but their fans worshipped him.


+1 to that

Newcastle’s main criticism of Bruce? Defensive, dour football

Benitez’s style :?: Renowned for playing defensively

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Sanguine » 27 Jan 2021 10:10

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URZZZZ The nature of how teams set up is vastly different in the Prem to the Bundesliga

The impression I get from occasionally watching Bundesliga games (perhaps the likes of Stranded could confirm/reject this) is that the games are quite open, hence for the likes of Havertz/Minamino, there's pockets of space to play in and also for Werner, there's more space to play in behind. Compare that to the Prem, where, especially against the top teams, lower sides will form a low block, and will play deep to the extent to which there's very little room to play in, negating the likes of Werner/Havertz

I, for one, am frequently left disappointed watching Sancho play for England, and in the majority of those games, we're up against defensive teams. Yet for Dortmund, he apparently excels. It's arguably the same for Gnabry too, who struggled to get game time for both Arsenal and West Brom - yet is a regular for Bayern

Of course, it works the other way too. Onto a slight tangent but Bale and Hazard were brilliant players for Spurs and Chelsea respectively. Since they both went to the BBVA, neither have lived up to the high expectations. Always think it's generally better to look "in-house" rather than going abroad if possible


Agreed. Still blows my mind that a football club cant see that a player really excelling somewhere else is often doing so because of factors outside of themselves too. A player scoring a boatload of goals in one team may be doing so because the tactics used and other players in that team have worked hard and spent a lot of time focusing on getting the ball to them in very specific situations. You can't buy a player excelling doing a very specific thing and throw him into your team asking him to do a different role and wonder how it all went wrong.


Yep - with the simple example being Liverpool buying players suited to their needs rather than them just needing a position and buying someone who has a good track record, irrespective of the context

United were an example of the aforementioned some time ago, with the likes of Blind, Di Maria, Falcao etc, all decent players but not necessarily suited to the Prem. In fairness to Ole, he’s become a lot more astute with respect to signings


As the exception that proves the rule, Firmino came from the Bundesliga, and in fact it has been his adept use of (not a lot of) space in the PL that has made him such an effective attacker.

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Sanguine » 27 Jan 2021 10:11

Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


Lampard?

Not sure he'd be the right choice, but he does strike me as someone who might do better 'motivating' under-performing teams than managing high profile ones.


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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Pepe the Horseman » 27 Jan 2021 10:30

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Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


Lampard?

Not sure he'd be the right choice, but he does strike me as someone who might do better 'motivating' under-performing teams than managing high profile ones.

I'm hoping he ends up at Celtic for a nice rivalry with Stevie G.

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Hendo » 27 Jan 2021 10:38

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Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


Lampard?

Not sure he'd be the right choice, but he does strike me as someone who might do better 'motivating' under-performing teams than managing high profile ones.

I'm hoping he ends up at Celtic for a nice rivalry with Stevie G.


Yeah, that would be pretty cool if he ended up there.

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by South Coast Royal » 27 Jan 2021 10:57

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Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


Lampard?

Not sure he'd be the right choice, but he does strike me as someone who might do better 'motivating' under-performing teams than managing high profile ones.

I'm hoping he ends up at Celtic for a nice rivalry with Stevie G.


They tend still to go for RC managers so I think that rules Fat Frank out.

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by BR0B0T » 27 Jan 2021 11:53

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Pepe the Horseman Surely Steve Bruce is next. Not sure who would take that job though.


Rafa?

I'd love Rafa to go back there and take them down. Thought he did an extremely average job last time, but their fans worshipped him.


finished 10th & 13th with a promoted squad (chump champs) and I think net spend of -£11M in his time there

...add in all the bollox with Mike Ashley trying to sell the club and I think he did alright

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by BR0B0T » 27 Jan 2021 11:54

fully expect LFC to batter Spurs but if they don't win, surely questions are going to have to be asked!

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by Pepe the Horseman » 27 Jan 2021 13:17

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Rafa?

I'd love Rafa to go back there and take them down. Thought he did an extremely average job last time, but their fans worshipped him.


finished 10th & 13th with a promoted squad (chump champs) and I think net spend of -£11M in his time there

...add in all the bollox with Mike Ashley trying to sell the club and I think he did alright

Guess we've found another Newcastle fan :roll:

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Re: The Manager Sack Race/Merry-go-Round

by From Despair To Where? » 27 Jan 2021 13:32

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Lampard?

Not sure he'd be the right choice, but he does strike me as someone who might do better 'motivating' under-performing teams than managing high profile ones.

I'm hoping he ends up at Celtic for a nice rivalry with Stevie G.


They tend still to go for RC managers so I think that rules Fat Frank out.



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