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Re: VAR

by John Madejski's Wallet » 28 Dec 2019 23:54

That Pukki offside was about the biggest joke yet


Out of interest, have any of these ridiculous offside decisions benefitted a minor team yet?

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Re: VAR

by AthleticoSpizz » 29 Dec 2019 00:00

Just bin this shit

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Re: VAR

by BR0B0T » 29 Dec 2019 00:04

Royal Rother Just make the defender’s line thicker.


a pretty simple and elegant solution tbf

but it doesn't get rid of the measurement coming down to mm's

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Re: VAR

by paultheroyal » 29 Dec 2019 10:48

I am not getting this hate for var and offsides. FFS Pukki was offside. If you like it or not he was off. Fraction or not he was off.

Unless you factor in a 10% error ratio you have to be exact. As I have said many times before var should be used as a matter of fact and in this case it was.

Unless you bring in an “umpires call” scenario like cricket with in this case it would of been a goal.... it’s pretty straightforward. And yes umpires call is also bloody ridiculous.

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Re: VAR

by Victor Meldrew » 29 Dec 2019 11:26

paultheroyal I am not getting this hate for var and offsides. FFS Pukki was offside. If you like it or not he was off. Fraction or not he was off.

Unless you factor in a 10% error ratio you have to be exact. As I have said many times before var should be used as a matter of fact and in this case it was.

Unless you bring in an “umpires call” scenario like cricket with in this case it would of been a goal.... it’s pretty straightforward. And yes umpires call is also bloody ridiculous.


I have felt before that VAR is right because the decisions are right but...….
I'm not against the time that it takes as we have breaks in games for injuries and these more lengthy breaks only occur once, twice or perhaps not at all in a game.

Watching a game we see that there are throw-ins that are given the wrong way, corners the same and ( a bugbear of mine) bookings given for 50/50 challenges where a player gets booked because the other one stays on the ground. so we are used to imperfect decision-making by officials.
Over the weekend they have carried on making these "wrong" decisions and it feels as though more goals are being chalked off than are given and the idea behind football is to score goals and that is the aspect that we enjoy.

It could be that we just have to develop a different mind set as football fans and now possibly consider a match time of say 80 minutes with each game being watched from afar and all these other things that referees may have missed or got wrong are relayed immediately back to that official.
The game then becomes like NFL where decisions are meticulously studied and stoppages common place.
Meanwhile we have to live with it and surely it evens out, e.g. Brighton's Dan Burn was very unlucky to have his goal ruled out yesterday but Brighton did have the benefit in that earlier game of the foot incident.


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Re: VAR

by Sutekh » 29 Dec 2019 11:41

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paultheroyal I am not getting this hate for var and offsides. FFS Pukki was offside. If you like it or not he was off. Fraction or not he was off.

Unless you factor in a 10% error ratio you have to be exact. As I have said many times before var should be used as a matter of fact and in this case it was.

Unless you bring in an “umpires call” scenario like cricket with in this case it would of been a goal.... it’s pretty straightforward. And yes umpires call is also bloody ridiculous.


I have felt before that VAR is right because the decisions are right but...….
I'm not against the time that it takes as we have breaks in games for injuries and these more lengthy breaks only occur once, twice or perhaps not at all in a game.

Watching a game we see that there are throw-ins that are given the wrong way, corners the same and ( a bugbear of mine) bookings given for 50/50 challenges where a player gets booked because the other one stays on the ground. so we are used to imperfect decision-making by officials.
Over the weekend they have carried on making these "wrong" decisions and it feels as though more goals are being chalked off than are given and the idea behind football is to score goals and that is the aspect that we enjoy.

It could be that we just have to develop a different mind set as football fans and now possibly consider a match time of say 80 minutes with each game being watched from afar and all these other things that referees may have missed or got wrong are relayed immediately back to that official.
The game then becomes like NFL where decisions are meticulously studied and stoppages common place.
Meanwhile we have to live with it and surely it evens out, e.g. Brighton's Dan Burn was very unlucky to have his goal ruled out yesterday but Brighton did have the benefit in that earlier game of the foot incident.


I just want to watch a game. I could not care less if mistakes are made by players, managers or officials it’s part and parcel of playing and watching. Over the course of a season crap goes both for and against you so just deal with it.

Currently this stupid system stops the game, kills celebrations, bores everyone while someone makes a subjective decision somewhere which in a lot of cases has proved to be just as mistake ridden as any decision the referee might have made in the first place.

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Re: VAR

by Victor Meldrew » 29 Dec 2019 17:19

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paultheroyal I am not getting this hate for var and offsides. FFS Pukki was offside. If you like it or not he was off. Fraction or not he was off.

Unless you factor in a 10% error ratio you have to be exact. As I have said many times before var should be used as a matter of fact and in this case it was.

Unless you bring in an “umpires call” scenario like cricket with in this case it would of been a goal.... it’s pretty straightforward. And yes umpires call is also bloody ridiculous.


I have felt before that VAR is right because the decisions are right but...….
I'm not against the time that it takes as we have breaks in games for injuries and these more lengthy breaks only occur once, twice or perhaps not at all in a game.

Watching a game we see that there are throw-ins that are given the wrong way, corners the same and ( a bugbear of mine) bookings given for 50/50 challenges where a player gets booked because the other one stays on the ground. so we are used to imperfect decision-making by officials.
Over the weekend they have carried on making these "wrong" decisions and it feels as though more goals are being chalked off than are given and the idea behind football is to score goals and that is the aspect that we enjoy.

It could be that we just have to develop a different mind set as football fans and now possibly consider a match time of say 80 minutes with each game being watched from afar and all these other things that referees may have missed or got wrong are relayed immediately back to that official.
The game then becomes like NFL where decisions are meticulously studied and stoppages common place.
Meanwhile we have to live with it and surely it evens out, e.g. Brighton's Dan Burn was very unlucky to have his goal ruled out yesterday but Brighton did have the benefit in that earlier game of the foot incident.


I just want to watch a game. I could not care less if mistakes are made by players, managers or officials it’s part and parcel of playing and watching. Over the course of a season crap goes both for and against you so just deal with it.

Currently this stupid system stops the game, kills celebrations, bores everyone while someone makes a subjective decision somewhere which in a lot of cases has proved to be just as mistake ridden as any decision the referee might have made in the first place.


Is VAR showing how bad our referees are?.
Anthony Taylor had 2 of his crucial decisions overturned the other day and now at Anfield yet another.

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by Franchise FC » 29 Dec 2019 17:21

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I have felt before that VAR is right because the decisions are right but...….
I'm not against the time that it takes as we have breaks in games for injuries and these more lengthy breaks only occur once, twice or perhaps not at all in a game.

Watching a game we see that there are throw-ins that are given the wrong way, corners the same and ( a bugbear of mine) bookings given for 50/50 challenges where a player gets booked because the other one stays on the ground. so we are used to imperfect decision-making by officials.
Over the weekend they have carried on making these "wrong" decisions and it feels as though more goals are being chalked off than are given and the idea behind football is to score goals and that is the aspect that we enjoy.

It could be that we just have to develop a different mind set as football fans and now possibly consider a match time of say 80 minutes with each game being watched from afar and all these other things that referees may have missed or got wrong are relayed immediately back to that official.
The game then becomes like NFL where decisions are meticulously studied and stoppages common place.
Meanwhile we have to live with it and surely it evens out, e.g. Brighton's Dan Burn was very unlucky to have his goal ruled out yesterday but Brighton did have the benefit in that earlier game of the foot incident.


I just want to watch a game. I could not care less if mistakes are made by players, managers or officials it’s part and parcel of playing and watching. Over the course of a season crap goes both for and against you so just deal with it.

Currently this stupid system stops the game, kills celebrations, bores everyone while someone makes a subjective decision somewhere which in a lot of cases has proved to be just as mistake ridden as any decision the referee might have made in the first place.


Is VAR showing how bad our referees are?.
Anthony Taylor had 2 of his crucial decisions overturned the other day and now at Anfield yet another.

Er, two actually

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Re: VAR

by Franchise FC » 29 Dec 2019 17:22

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by Sutekh » 29 Dec 2019 17:30

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I just want to watch a game. I could not care less if mistakes are made by players, managers or officials it’s part and parcel of playing and watching. Over the course of a season crap goes both for and against you so just deal with it.

Currently this stupid system stops the game, kills celebrations, bores everyone while someone makes a subjective decision somewhere which in a lot of cases has proved to be just as mistake ridden as any decision the referee might have made in the first place.


Is VAR showing how bad our referees are?.
Anthony Taylor had 2 of his crucial decisions overturned the other day and now at Anfield yet another.

Er, two actually


It is utterly ridiculous that players are being called offside because they have a hand in an offside position. This is just the sort of idiocy VAR introducing to the game.

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by Victor Meldrew » 29 Dec 2019 17:31

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I just want to watch a game. I could not care less if mistakes are made by players, managers or officials it’s part and parcel of playing and watching. Over the course of a season crap goes both for and against you so just deal with it.

Currently this stupid system stops the game, kills celebrations, bores everyone while someone makes a subjective decision somewhere which in a lot of cases has proved to be just as mistake ridden as any decision the referee might have made in the first place.


Is VAR showing how bad our referees are?.
Anthony Taylor had 2 of his crucial decisions overturned the other day and now at Anfield yet another.

Er, two actually


The second was an offside call so it should be the lino's call-we can let him off this one. :D

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by Victor Meldrew » 29 Dec 2019 17:34

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Is VAR showing how bad our referees are?.
Anthony Taylor had 2 of his crucial decisions overturned the other day and now at Anfield yet another.

Er, two actually


It is utterly ridiculous that players are being called offside because they have a hand in an offside position. This is just the sort of idiocy VAR introducing to the game.


This is now happening in so many Premier League games but, for the moment anyway, it is the rules to the nearest millimetre.

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by Royal Rother » 29 Dec 2019 17:51

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Is VAR showing how bad our referees are?.
Anthony Taylor had 2 of his crucial decisions overturned the other day and now at Anfield yet another.

Er, two actually


It is utterly ridiculous that players are being called offside because they have a hand in an offside position. This is just the sort of idiocy VAR introducing to the game.


They don’t.

Offside only applies to body parts they can score with.


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Re: VAR

by AthleticoSpizz » 29 Dec 2019 22:22

Pukkis’ goal was ruled offside because of his hand being in an offside position...no?

Can this crap...just keep the goal line decisions

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Re: VAR

by multisync1830 » 29 Dec 2019 22:42

Personally I think offside should be restricted to feet only

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Re: VAR

by Tails » 29 Dec 2019 23:00

People need to just get over it, VAR offsides are only highlighting the perceived inadequacies of the offside rule. I think it’s much better than when we had people a yard or two off/onside given incorrectly.

If people want the offside rule changed, then so be it. Don’t have a pop at VAR because you’re a dullard.

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Re: VAR

by URZZZZ » 29 Dec 2019 23:19

Surely City’s first needs to be disallowed because of referee interference?

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by URZZZZ » 29 Dec 2019 23:21

Tails People need to just get over it, VAR offsides are only highlighting the perceived inadequacies of the offside rule. I think it’s much better than when we had people a yard or two off/onside given incorrectly.

If people want the offside rule changed, then so be it. Don’t have a pop at VAR because you’re a dullard.


It doesn’t make people “dullards” if they don’t want to spend 5 minutes judging if someone’s toe nail is offside. VAR is dull and is further ruining the sport

There should be a 30 second time limit for refs to make their mind up. If they can’t, stick with the original decision. Simples

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Re: VAR

by John Madejski's Wallet » 29 Dec 2019 23:55

Fukk 30secs. A VAR offside check should be one look, no computer generated lines. If it doesnt clearly look offside the its obviously not a 'clear and obvious' mistake

Same with most other VARs, If it isn't immediately obvious to the VAR official then they shouldn't make a decision

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Re: VAR

by BR0B0T » 30 Dec 2019 01:16

multisync1830 Personally I think offside should be restricted to feet only


what difference would this make?

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