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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 12 Nov 2019 16:24

Not the beginning of the end but the beginning of a move towards a more sustainable approach. England does not need 92 professional football clubs (more if you include the National League) and it is about time the structure was looked at.

Should Macclesfield have a football club? yes
Does it need to be fully professional? No

There should be no reason why a well run, semi professional club could not survive in the Football League (except the rules perhaps) but if one or two were to do it then you may well see a groundswell. It would also aid the transition for lower league players from football to non-football careers as they would be working and have time to boost skills in a chosen field outside of the game.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Hendo » 02 Dec 2019 15:22

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50634040

One to keep an eye on...

Players at Macclesfield Town have issued an ultimatum to the club's owner that they will not train, or play on Saturday, if they are not paid wages they are owed by 18:00 GMT on Monday, BBC Sport understands.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Hendo » 06 Dec 2019 15:12

Hendo https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50634040

One to keep an eye on...

Players at Macclesfield Town have issued an ultimatum to the club's owner that they will not train, or play on Saturday, if they are not paid wages they are owed by 18:00 GMT on Monday, BBC Sport understands.


Oh dear...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50690408

Macclesfield Town's League Two fixture against Crewe Alexandra on Saturday has been suspended by the English Football League.

The decision comes after the club's players stated they would refuse to play in protest over unpaid wages.

A statement released by the players said their emotional and mental wellbeing was at "rock bottom".

Macclesfield later informed the EFL they were unable to fulfil the fixture, leading it to be suspended.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 06 Dec 2019 17:53

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Hendo https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50634040

One to keep an eye on...

Players at Macclesfield Town have issued an ultimatum to the club's owner that they will not train, or play on Saturday, if they are not paid wages they are owed by 18:00 GMT on Monday, BBC Sport understands.


Oh dear...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50690408

Macclesfield Town's League Two fixture against Crewe Alexandra on Saturday has been suspended by the English Football League.

The decision comes after the club's players stated they would refuse to play in protest over unpaid wages.

A statement released by the players said their emotional and mental wellbeing was at "rock bottom".

Macclesfield later informed the EFL they were unable to fulfil the fixture, leading it to be suspended.


At this rate it could be a case of no relegation from the FL this season

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sanguine » 12 Dec 2019 16:40

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50674331

Former Wigan chairman says that the Championship is 'a bubble waiting to burst.'
Operating numbers are scary when you consider that the only two clubs to make any sort of profit generated those only on the back of the sales of Maddison (Norwich) and Maguire (Hull) to Leicester City.


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sanguine » 19 Dec 2019 13:10

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... n-chansiri

Three of Sheffield Wednesday's sponsors don't exist as commercial companies. What's bizarre is that the EFL apparently isn't concerned as these frankly made up 'commercial relationships', as a vehicle for the owner to get money into the club' because the amounts are not excessive. Message appears to be that you can cheat, just don't cheat a lot.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by sputnik » 19 Dec 2019 19:45

It might just be a load of blarney, but the talk over here is of a crisis in Irish football, with the FAI's request for an €18m state bailout turned down.
"The game, as supporters know it in Ireland, could be under threat, as are the FAI’s membership of European governing body Uefa and the existence of the Irish international side. "

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fai-crisis-could-halt-league-and-internationals-971318.html

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Mid Sussex Royal » 20 Dec 2019 19:01

So - Macclesfield are deducted 6 points for not fulfilling a game (players refusing to play, due to unpaid wages) Bolton do not turn up at two games for the same reason and get away with it.

They were very leniently dealt with over the whole piece in the summer compared to what happened to Bury.

Founder members of Football League - old boys club obviously, hope they are relegated.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Franchise FC » 20 Dec 2019 20:48

Mid Sussex Royal So - Macclesfield are deducted 6 points for not fulfilling a game (players refusing to play, due to unpaid wages) Bolton do not turn up at two games for the same reason and get away with it.

They were very leniently dealt with over the whole piece in the summer compared to what happened to Bury.

Founder members of Football League - old boys club obviously, hope they are relegated.

Bolton are still 15 points short of safety and only Southend have won fewer games.
You may well get your wish


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 25 Dec 2019 07:56

Mid Sussex Royal So - Macclesfield are deducted 6 points for not fulfilling a game (players refusing to play, due to unpaid wages) Bolton do not turn up at two games for the same reason and get away with it.

They were very leniently dealt with over the whole piece in the summer compared to what happened to Bury.

Founder members of Football League - old boys club obviously, hope they are relegated.


Presumably Macclesfield will have another 3 points docked for failing to fulfil game with Plymouth. Would imagine they’re going to be relegated this season either through points deductions or financial issues

Anyone know why Bolton don’t get punished for failing to fulfil fixtures?

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 02 Jan 2020 19:36

Charlton’s take over has finally been completed

Sunderland up for sale again

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 08 Jan 2020 11:59

Mid Sussex Royal So - Macclesfield are deducted 6 points for not fulfilling a game (players refusing to play, due to unpaid wages) Bolton do not turn up at two games for the same reason and get away with it.

They were very leniently dealt with over the whole piece in the summer compared to what happened to Bury.

Founder members of Football League - old boys club obviously, hope they are relegated.


Bolton were given a susoended oenalty for 2 reasons.

Firstly, the Brentford game meant nothing as it was the lsst game and had no impact on the final table.

Secondly, the Dincaster game was called off as Bolton would have broken youth player safeguarding rules if they had played as most of their squad at the time were of an age where leagues rules resttict them to 1 game per week. EFL weren't hsppy but were always likelyto be lenient in that case.

Macc players went on strike, si this is a very different situation.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 08 Jan 2020 13:22

Birmingham are apparently facing the possibility of a second points deduction for failing to adhere to the spending plan agreed with the FL last season when they were hit with a 9 point deduction

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... deduction/


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 08 Jan 2020 13:52

Sutekh Birmingham are apparently facing the possibility of a second points deduction for failing to adhere to the spending plan agreed with the FL last season when they were hit with a 9 point deduction

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... deduction/

Double the crime double the points deduction?

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Franchise FC » 16 Jan 2020 17:37

Derby charged. Maybe not a major surprise.

The chaos that the Redknapp family bring continues.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 28 Jan 2020 11:23

West Ham's accounts show a pre tax 28m+ loss for the last accounting year. Accounts make it clear that the club simply cannot afford to get relegated.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by WoodleyRoyal » 28 Jan 2020 13:01

Stranded West Ham's accounts show a pre tax 28m+ loss for the last accounting year. Accounts make it clear that the club simply cannot afford to get relegated.


28 mill isn't a great deal by todays standards though is it really. would imagine other clubs have been in a worse state prior to going down.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 28 Jan 2020 13:05

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Stranded West Ham's accounts show a pre tax 28m+ loss for the last accounting year. Accounts make it clear that the club simply cannot afford to get relegated.


28 mill isn't a great deal by todays standards though is it really. would imagine other clubs have been in a worse state prior to going down.


No. but given the clamour for clubs to get into the PL to get at the riches there, always seems crazy to see any club racking up losses whilst there especially if the drop in revenue associated with a drop into the Championship could cripple them.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Snowflake Royal » 30 Jan 2020 21:25

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Stranded West Ham's accounts show a pre tax 28m+ loss for the last accounting year. Accounts make it clear that the club simply cannot afford to get relegated.


28 mill isn't a great deal by todays standards though is it really. would imagine other clubs have been in a worse state prior to going down.


No. but given the clamour for clubs to get into the PL to get at the riches there, always seems crazy to see any club racking up losses whilst there especially if the drop in revenue associated with a drop into the Championship could cripple them.


See Bolton losing money hand over fist every year to stay there. Until one year it didn't work and they've been oxf*rd ever since. I won't lose any sleep over it happening to West Ham.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by WoodleyRoyal » 31 Jan 2020 10:30

oldham close to administration

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