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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Wax Jacket » 31 Jan 2020 11:35

Stranded England does not need 92 professional football clubs (more if you include the National League) and it is about time the structure was looked at.

Should Macclesfield have a football club? yes
Does it need to be fully professional? No


tbf it looks increasingly like a North-West problem - namechecked in this page alone are Macclesfield, Oldham and Bolton

the Fleetwoods, Accringtons and Fyldes of this world will all follow soon enough I'm sure (not for the first time in some cases)

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 31 Jan 2020 11:54

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Stranded England does not need 92 professional football clubs (more if you include the National League) and it is about time the structure was looked at.

Should Macclesfield have a football club? yes
Does it need to be fully professional? No


tbf it looks increasingly like a North-West problem - namechecked in this page alone are Macclesfield, Oldham and Bolton

the Fleetwoods, Accringtons and Fyldes of this world will all follow soon enough I'm sure (not for the first time in some cases)


Yeah fair shout that it is a geographical problem to some degree. Macc, Oldham & Bolton all have 4 or 5 massive clubs nearby plus a few more clubs who are fighting for fans. So unless you have a particularly strong affinity to one of those clubs, you aren't going to waste your money on them esp if there is "better" football in the area.

Takng Macclesfield as an example - within an hour/hour and half of them you have both Manchester clubs, the Merseyside clubs, Stoke, Preston, Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton - and this is just clubs in higher divisions. Arguably too much choice.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by tmesis » 31 Jan 2020 18:34

It's swings and roundabouts for the NW clubs, as they lack support, but have a lot of discarded local players to choose from. It makes it probably easier for a club like Macclesfield to get into the League now than it would be for Torquay to get back.

I don't think the number of pro-clubs in the league is an issue. Clubs make far more money now, even in League Two, than they've ever done in the past. The problem is the number of weak clubs who've been promoted, who just don't have the support to sustain full-time football. That's not really a problem with the league's structure.

The other, arguably much bigger problem, is the short term planning of too many owners, going for broke to get promoted.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 12 Feb 2020 15:29

Not sure of where to put this but this thread seems the best fit.

An excellent (if long) article on how football has been broken:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 30431.html

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 15 Feb 2020 23:37

Bury getting closer to liquidation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51503129


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Feb 2020 09:15

Stranded Not sure of where to put this but this thread seems the best fit.

An excellent (if long) article on how football has been broken:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 30431.html

Great article.

I do wonder what would happen if clubs called the super league 'bluff'. Right now Bayern, Liverpool, Real, Barcelona etc win all the time, but in a super league of 10 to 16 of the biggest clubs that would soon become three or four of those 16 used to winning all the time continue. The likes of Utd, given their current state would end up losing all the time and their appeal would wan. The competition would get stale and boring.

All the while the rest of the national top flights leagues get more competitive and exciting. Or go out of business and there's no source of players for the big oxf*rd anymore.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Hoop Blah » 16 Feb 2020 12:13

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Stranded England does not need 92 professional football clubs (more if you include the National League) and it is about time the structure was looked at.

Should Macclesfield have a football club? yes
Does it need to be fully professional? No


tbf it looks increasingly like a North-West problem - namechecked in this page alone are Macclesfield, Oldham and Bolton

the Fleetwoods, Accringtons and Fyldes of this world will all follow soon enough I'm sure (not for the first time in some cases)


Yeah fair shout that it is a geographical problem to some degree. Macc, Oldham & Bolton all have 4 or 5 massive clubs nearby plus a few more clubs who are fighting for fans. So unless you have a particularly strong affinity to one of those clubs, you aren't going to waste your money on them esp if there is "better" football in the area.

Takng Macclesfield as an example - within an hour/hour and half of them you have both Manchester clubs, the Merseyside clubs, Stoke, Preston, Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton - and this is just clubs in higher divisions. Arguably too much choice.


I'm not sure it's a geographical issue, it's possibly just that there are so many clubs there that the law of averages mean that we're more likely to see some struggle.

I have no problem with the number of full-time clubs by the way. It's just their control of the finances that are the problem, and that doesn't necessarily seem to be linked to being full-time instead of part-time (of course some costs increase by being full-time, but that's still within their grasp to control within a budget, if they wanted to that is).

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 05 Mar 2020 11:16

Villa likely to be in big trouble if they get relegated this season.

In getting promoted they recorded a loss of £69m even following the sale of Villa Park for £56.7m to another company owned by their chairman.

That means they will have easily breached the EFL profit and sustainability rules and if they fall back under their control, would imagine the book will be thrown at them.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 07 Mar 2020 11:01

Championship clubs are now considering implementing a £20m salary cap and limits on the sizes of squads.

https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/foot ... y-17867927


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by John Madejski's Wallet » 07 Mar 2020 23:41

Nice idea, can't see it being implemented though

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by BR0B0T » 08 Mar 2020 08:47

Sutekh Championship clubs are now considering implementing a £20m salary cap and limits on the sizes of squads.

https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/foot ... y-17867927


Brentford would walk the league if they brought that in. They are currently competing at about that level (iirc)

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Snowflake Royal » 08 Mar 2020 09:55

What are the penalties for non-compliance? Because every relegated PL club would break them, probably for several years, and there's currently a third of the division on parachute payments.

Cardiff, Fulham, Huddersfield, Swansea, Stoke, West Brom, Hull, Middlesboro,

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Hendo » 10 Mar 2020 10:12

Looks like there are some serious and worrying developments going on at Charlton:



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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by 6ft Kerplunk » 10 Mar 2020 11:20

Good to see the EFL are keeping up their exceptionally high standards for checking out prospective new owners.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Green » 10 Mar 2020 21:09

Trying to get my head round this,who's the bad guy? Nimer or Southall?

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by leon » 10 Mar 2020 21:22

Green Trying to get my head round this,who's the bad guy? Nimer or Southall?


heroes don't always wear capes Green

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by 6ft Kerplunk » 10 Mar 2020 21:48

I think you have to work out who is the badder of the two bad guys Green.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Winston Biscuit » 11 Mar 2020 08:16

Stranded Villa likely to be in big trouble if they get relegated this season.

In getting promoted they recorded a loss of £69m even following the sale of Villa Park for £56.7m to another company owned by their chairman.

That means they will have easily breached the EFL profit and sustainability rules and if they fall back under their control, would imagine the book will be thrown at them.


https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1237645008993423362


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 11 Mar 2020 08:26

Crazily, going by that thread, they haven't breached FFP.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Franchise FC » 11 Mar 2020 12:28

Stranded Crazily, going by that thread, they haven't breached FFP.

I know I'm late to the party here, but how do you figure that ?

Isn't the limit £40m over 3 years ?
If so Villa have breached that in one year alone, almost breached in a second and it doesn't even show the third.
Their two year value is over £100m :shock:

If they had to add back the stadium sale they're over £150m for just two years :shock: :shock:

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