The Local Journo Thread

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Hound » 22 Mar 2019 14:52

The industry has changed Genome, think that is the problem

Realistically, not sure there is that much left in the old style journo following the team round. I'm guessing it might end up where you have accredited people from blog sites like Tilehurst End ending up doing a little bit of press conferences etc, and basically doing it unpaid bar what they can get through web traffic and clicks. Be more on a voluntary basis

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by John Smith » 22 Mar 2019 15:25

Hound The industry has changed Genome, think that is the problem

Realistically, not sure there is that much left in the old style journo following the team round. I'm guessing it might end up where you have accredited people from blog sites like Tilehurst End ending up doing a little bit of press conferences etc, and basically doing it unpaid bar what they can get through web traffic and clicks. Be more on a voluntary basis

Like the girl who appears briefly after our highlights cameo on EFL on Quest?

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 22 Mar 2019 15:26

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Hound The industry has changed Genome, think that is the problem

Realistically, not sure there is that much left in the old style journo following the team round. I'm guessing it might end up where you have accredited people from blog sites like Tilehurst End ending up doing a little bit of press conferences etc, and basically doing it unpaid bar what they can get through web traffic and clicks. Be more on a voluntary basis

Like the girl who appears briefly after our highlights cameo on EFL on Quest?


She is welcome to appear less briefly at my house.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by John Smith » 22 Mar 2019 15:55

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Hound The industry has changed Genome, think that is the problem

Realistically, not sure there is that much left in the old style journo following the team round. I'm guessing it might end up where you have accredited people from blog sites like Tilehurst End ending up doing a little bit of press conferences etc, and basically doing it unpaid bar what they can get through web traffic and clicks. Be more on a voluntary basis

Like the girl who appears briefly after our highlights cameo on EFL on Quest?


She is welcome to appear less briefly at my house.

To discuss tactical positioning?

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Mid Sussex Royal » 22 Mar 2019 18:22

Generally the standard of local journalism is abysmal, radio and press.

Get Reading are saying today the Birmingham points deduction is really bad for us and could mean a relegation shoot out on the last day.

What about the fact that they play Rotherham and WIgan before us? Likely to be far more riding on those games now.....


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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by AthleticoSpizz » 22 Mar 2019 21:49

think that the word “could” was the clue

In all honesty, our local journalism is acceptable, our radio reporting (courtesy of the tv licence and the BBC) is pretty decent (if you can look outside of the ‘serious hysterical football Reading supporting’’ box), sometimes people just need to lighten up a bit, mistakes and “fake news” happens all around the country.

Anyone remember the shiteness of 210 Thames Valley/2Ten FM, Reading 107 and our once upon a time ‘local radio station’ Radio Oxford?

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 25 Mar 2019 14:17

Tom Crocker leaves the Wokingham Paper.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Notts Royal » 25 Mar 2019 15:55

Not sure there’s anything quite as bad as Russell Kempson’s strongly opinionated articles - which don’t reflect the general consensus amongst the fans

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Wimb » 27 Mar 2019 09:49

Hound The industry has changed Genome, think that is the problem

Realistically, not sure there is that much left in the old style journo following the team round. I'm guessing it might end up where you have accredited people from blog sites like Tilehurst End ending up doing a little bit of press conferences etc, and basically doing it unpaid bar what they can get through web traffic and clicks. Be more on a voluntary basis


Pretty much this, especially for a team the size of Reading where even world class journalism would only interest 20-40k people at a push. Compare that to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions around the world who'd read every word about what Pogba had for breakfast or what Klopp said to an under 18 midfielder about his future.

As I've said and others have pointed out, with so little money about you just won't get the top quality journalists and big media teams you need to produce genuinely great and consistent content. You're now relying on those starting out, people who are financially comfortable through other means, or perhaps those winding down.

Building contacts is very, very tricky. The club is more open than it was under different regimes but they're still a business and will only allow so much (which all bias aside I'd consider fair). More to the point, the players are so well media trained that they're well aware of what a slip up can do to their careers/image so are that bit more reluctant to open up unless they really know you. This isn't 25 years ago where you could grab Ady or Archie in the Rendezvous for a few words either.

Perhaps this new Apple model of paying monthly for a bulk news subscription, plus EU Article 11 might give a shot in the arm to the media and provide desperately needed revenues, otherwise you will be relying on (the fine work ;) ) of sites like TTE plus whatever meagre resources bigger sites like GR will provide.


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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Stranded » 27 Mar 2019 10:02

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Hound The industry has changed Genome, think that is the problem

Realistically, not sure there is that much left in the old style journo following the team round. I'm guessing it might end up where you have accredited people from blog sites like Tilehurst End ending up doing a little bit of press conferences etc, and basically doing it unpaid bar what they can get through web traffic and clicks. Be more on a voluntary basis


Pretty much this, especially for a team the size of Reading where even world class journalism would only interest 20-40k people at a push. Compare that to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions around the world who'd read every word about what Pogba had for breakfast or what Klopp said to an under 18 midfielder about his future.

As I've said and others have pointed out, with so little money about you just won't get the top quality journalists and big media teams you need to produce genuinely great and consistent content. You're now relying on those starting out, people who are financially comfortable through other means, or perhaps those winding down.

Building contacts is very, very tricky. The club is more open than it was under different regimes but they're still a business and will only allow so much (which all bias aside I'd consider fair). More to the point, the players are so well media trained that they're well aware of what a slip up can do to their careers/image so are that bit more reluctant to open up unless they really know you. This isn't 25 years ago where you could grab Ady or Archie in the Rendezvous for a few words either.

Perhaps this new Apple model of paying monthly for a bulk news subscription, plus EU Article 11 might give a shot in the arm to the media and provide desperately needed revenues, otherwise you will be relying on (the fine work ;) ) of sites like TTE plus whatever meagre resources bigger sites like GR will provide.


Can't disagree with that - when Westie and I first kicked off this podcast malarky it was impossible to get anyone from the club to speak to us even when we were charting pretty well on ITunes - they just didn't trust us, so went down the route of the old pro conversations with the like of Adie, Dylan Kerr, Shaka etc - these are great and have their place but we always wanted to try and get players/staff speaking in a more relaxed way with an "unofficial" fans outlet - wasn't to be.

The work that you and the rest of the guys have done to move this on is fantastic and where the world of football journalism is going - podcasting is only going to grow and the fact that The Tilehurst End can get time with the current manager shows that the club understand what an important outlet podcasts are now.

Following a club via the local paper is gone and I think we will definitely see TTE get a more formalised role with the club at some point and as long as it isn't too close and becomes just another club mouthpiece, that would be great.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Notts Royal » 28 Mar 2019 07:54

I think the Tilehurst End & Elm Park Royals podcasts are brilliant - they are now my go-to places for news & opinions.

I also like how the people on them are generally well-balanced & open to other opinions.

I want GetReading to be a factual source not a place where we have to read Russell Kempson’s narrow-minded views, which don’t accurately represent the majority of the fanbase. I find it does neither well at the moment - whilst JLow has improved, he very much points out the blindingly obvious rather than anything in depth. And it doesn’t do the opinions well either!

Whereas the 2 podcasts, whilst designed as more of a fans opinion piece, actually gives you more depth & facts than the local journalism

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 28 Mar 2019 07:59

Notts Royal I think the Tilehurst End & Elm Park Royals podcasts are brilliant - they are now my go-to places for news & opinions.

I also like how the people on them are generally well-balanced & open to other opinions.

I want GetReading to be a factual source not a place where we have to read Russell Kempson’s narrow-minded views, which don’t accurately represent the majority of the fanbase. I find it does neither well at the moment - whilst JLow has improved, he very much points out the blindingly obvious rather than anything in depth. And it doesn’t do the opinions well either!

Whereas the 2 podcasts, whilst designed as more of a fans opinion piece, actually gives you more depth & facts than the local journalism

Tilehurst End need a regualr host for their audio/visual stuff, the voices on their content send me to sleep tbh. Like Elm Park Royals, they tend to do more instant reactions to the games and provide a bit more balance.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by PremAddict » 29 Mar 2019 20:25

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Hound The industry has changed Genome, think that is the problem

Realistically, not sure there is that much left in the old style journo following the team round. I'm guessing it might end up where you have accredited people from blog sites like Tilehurst End ending up doing a little bit of press conferences etc, and basically doing it unpaid bar what they can get through web traffic and clicks. Be more on a voluntary basis


Pretty much this, especially for a team the size of Reading where even world class journalism would only interest 20-40k people at a push. Compare that to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions around the world who'd read every word about what Pogba had for breakfast or what Klopp said to an under 18 midfielder about his future.

As I've said and others have pointed out, with so little money about you just won't get the top quality journalists and big media teams you need to produce genuinely great and consistent content. You're now relying on those starting out, people who are financially comfortable through other means, or perhaps those winding down.

Building contacts is very, very tricky. The club is more open than it was under different regimes but they're still a business and will only allow so much (which all bias aside I'd consider fair). More to the point, the players are so well media trained that they're well aware of what a slip up can do to their careers/image so are that bit more reluctant to open up unless they really know you. This isn't 25 years ago where you could grab Ady or Archie in the Rendezvous for a few words either.

Perhaps this new Apple model of paying monthly for a bulk news subscription, plus EU Article 11 might give a shot in the arm to the media and provide desperately needed revenues, otherwise you will be relying on (the fine work ;) ) of sites like TTE plus whatever meagre resources bigger sites like GR will provide.


Can't disagree with that - when Westie and I first kicked off this podcast malarky it was impossible to get anyone from the club to speak to us even when we were charting pretty well on ITunes - they just didn't trust us, so went down the route of the old pro conversations with the like of Adie, Dylan Kerr, Shaka etc - these are great and have their place but we always wanted to try and get players/staff speaking in a more relaxed way with an "unofficial" fans outlet - wasn't to be.

The work that you and the rest of the guys have done to move this on is fantastic and where the world of football journalism is going - podcasting is only going to grow and the fact that The Tilehurst End can get time with the current manager shows that the club understand what an important outlet podcasts are now.

Following a club via the local paper is gone and I think we will definitely see TTE get a more formalised role with the club at some point and as long as it isn't too close and becomes just another club mouthpiece, that would be great.


I loved listening to Paul and Westie and when Jonny joined it got that much more interesting. I now frankly I go to TTE and listen to the podcast as one of my main sources. Speaking of that, sorry to hear Tom is going but at least it's in a direction of "onward and upward".


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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by 3points » 31 Mar 2019 17:13

TTE pods are always better when there’s three rather than 2 hosts imo. Would like Wimb on more regularly as well as Westie and Handbags. Perhaps a few guests / occasional presenters as well.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by PremAddict » 01 Apr 2019 19:39

3points TTE pods are always better when there’s three rather than 2 hosts imo. Would like Wimb on more regularly as well as Westie and Handbags. Perhaps a few guests / occasional presenters as well.


I agree, 3 adds a better dynamic. Handbags has supernatural talents when it comes to his memory of matches. Westie, to me, adds more of the "fan analysis" that I like - partisan, yes, but nonetheless valid and entertaining.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by 3points » 01 Apr 2019 19:40

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3points TTE pods are always better when there’s three rather than 2 hosts imo. Would like Wimb on more regularly as well as Westie and Handbags. Perhaps a few guests / occasional presenters as well.


I agree, 3 adds a better dynamic. Handbags has supernatural talents when it comes to his memory of matches. Westie, to me, adds more of the "fan analysis" that I like - partisan, yes, but nonetheless valid and entertaining.

Handbags is amazing. I can’t remember our last but one game!

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Notts Royal » 02 Apr 2019 10:51

3points TTE pods are always better when there’s three rather than 2 hosts imo. Would like Wimb on more regularly as well as Westie and Handbags. Perhaps a few guests / occasional presenters as well.


Those 3 would be the dream team wouldn’t they! Very knowledgeable & lots of personality.

I switch off whenever Ollie Allen is on...poor lad

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by URZZZZ » 05 Apr 2019 13:39

There’s a good article on getreading of a talk between J Low and Eduardo Santos, J Low is really improving day by day

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by Wimb » 09 Apr 2019 13:58

3points TTE pods are always better when there’s three rather than 2 hosts imo. Would like Wimb on more regularly as well as Westie and Handbags. Perhaps a few guests / occasional presenters as well.


Scheduling is the real problem. Handbags has moved out of the area, while myself and Westie are both dealing with new additions to our families. After giving up more hours than I can remember to TTE for 7 years, I owe Mrs Wimb & Wimb Jr a lot of my time! Plus, I've still not given up hope that The Royal Exchange returns down the road.

I know Marc works really hard to try and get different and varied voices on but it's finding a time that works for everyone. Credit to EPR for churning out those videos but TTE also has the written stuff to deal with whereas Paul has abandoned that side of his content to simply do reactions and bare bones videos with minimal editing. Not that there's anything wrong with going down that path, I'm just saying it's very quick and easy to do and with fewer time constraints.

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Re: The Local Journo Thread

by John Smith » 09 Apr 2019 15:11

Wimb Scheduling is the real problem.

I'd say the biggest problem is that neither of you have any idea what you're talking about and have never played the game at any level. Some of the claims you make are purely regurgitation of the mainstream pundits or clichéd drivel

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