Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by South Coast Royal » 29 Jun 2020 16:28

Thinking of this last Saturday's game at Derby brought back memories of untried Fosu and Stacey taking part not so long ago.
Both dropped down divisions but have fought their way back to Championship (maybe Prem next year for Fosu) and Premier respectively.

Loader may or may not do the same but based on how he has performed for Reading I am not sad to see him go as he has contributed so little.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by sandman » 29 Jun 2020 17:30

andrew1957 I am a great follower of the Academy and love it when we bring young players through and give them a chance. In the case of Loader he clearly thinks he is far better than he has shown us so far and it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth that he has not even tried to make it here at the club that has spent a lot of money bringing him through the youth ranks.

When a young payer acts in this way (badly advised or not) one can only really hope he fails wherever he ends up as a lesson to those coming after him through the Academy.


Well that's not very nice.

He's only a young lad and whilst I think he's made the wrong decision I hope he finds success wherever he goes next.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by sandman » 29 Jun 2020 17:42

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Not feeling the same sentiment. This has not got the Antonio feeling about it.


No it doesn't. I mean Loader has shown he can actually trap a ball and pass to his team mates rather than spaff the ball into the crowd. Which is more than Antonio managed when he was here.

The fact he's one of the best players for West Ham says quite a bit about them.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by andrew1957 » 29 Jun 2020 18:18

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andrew1957 I am a great follower of the Academy and love it when we bring young players through and give them a chance. In the case of Loader he clearly thinks he is far better than he has shown us so far and it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth that he has not even tried to make it here at the club that has spent a lot of money bringing him through the youth ranks.

When a young payer acts in this way (badly advised or not) one can only really hope he fails wherever he ends up as a lesson to those coming after him through the Academy.


Well that's not very nice.

He's only a young lad and whilst I think he's made the wrong decision I hope he finds success wherever he goes next.


Perhaps I am being harsh but I find the way Loader has acted over the last couple of years annoying.

Firstly the club spends a lot of money bringing players through the Academy and the young players coming through should have some loyalty to the club. Secondly it is probably a case that he has been advised badly but if he had signed a new contract I have no doubt that he would have played a lot more games for RFC. As it is when it became clear that he wanted to go the club understandably stopped giving him many opportunities. Frankly why waste further effort on him. Thirdly, the way he has acted suggests that he thinks he is far too good for the club and he has barely put in a shift when he has had a chance. 2 goals in 35 is hardly stellar!

Contrast that to say Olise who signed a 3 year extension, got his chance, put a good shift in and is now an important part of the squad.

As it is if someone like Wolves sign him he will either be in their Under 23s next season or more likely loaned out at Championship level or below anyway so what has he gained by leaving Reading when he could have played at Championship level here. He might get a few extra quid in the short term but might well damage his longer term prospects.

I suspect it is a case of his agent wanting a big chunk of a signing on fee from a PL club but IMO Loader should have seen that he would be far better off in the long run if he had signed a new deal and knuckled down at RFC and taken his chance here. Then if a bigger club came in for him later - as with the likes of Siggy, Long etc, then I am sure we would have all wished him well.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Brain Traysers » 29 Jun 2020 22:21

Can't help but feel a bit sad it hasn't worked out for Loader. Slightly baffled that people think he hasn't delivered - the expectations for a player who is still yet to turn 20 were unreasonably high IMO. Add in him being asked to play in different positions under different managers, of which nobody since Stam has particularly suited his style - he thrives off balls played into his feet in the area according to an expert on the English youth squads, so I can see why he impressed Stam enough I training to debut as a 16 year old.

The jump from u23 football is huge, and often suddenly clicks after being given plenty of minutes (see Calvert-Lewin at Everton - 'finally' breaking through as a top striker at 23). Loader's 400 minutes this season is pitiful so I'm not surprised he is looking for a move - "rotting away" in the reserves of a bigger club would be the exact same situation as he has faced here this season, but with a bigger pay cheque. If he wasn't going to get chances this season, he really should have been given a loan.

Also a bit confused by anyone questioning his effort or suggesting any sort of attitude - I note players including McCleary and Olise publicly praising his work ethic in training in recent weeks.

All in all, a real shame a it hasn't worked out for player who is still young enough to fulfill his potential, and unfortunately wont be able to do it at his hometown club.


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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Hound » 30 Jun 2020 11:49

Its a shame how its all worked out really. Sounds like we spent a fair bit on his wages and his general development, and it is frustrating that he seems to have been set on leaving for quite a while now for whatever the reasons

He's definitely not shown a lot in his games for us. He is obviously still pretty young but its difficult to see where exactly he would fit into a side and what his best position is going to be

Undoubtedly talent there though

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Snowflake Royal » 30 Jun 2020 11:57

Hound Its a shame how its all worked out really. Sounds like we spent a fair bit on his wages and his general development, and it is frustrating that he seems to have been set on leaving for quite a while now for whatever the reasons

He's definitely not shown a lot in his games for us. He is obviously still pretty young but its difficult to see where exactly he would fit into a side and what his best position is going to be

Undoubtedly talent there though

It feel like there's been a shift from developing players for positions to favouring developing general technical ability which has led to a large number of young modern players just not seeming to have a clear role on the pitch.

HRK, Loader, Ejaria, Obita, Olise potentially... no idea what Boye thinks his position is...

I blame Barca and Spain.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Hound » 30 Jun 2020 12:09

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Hound Its a shame how its all worked out really. Sounds like we spent a fair bit on his wages and his general development, and it is frustrating that he seems to have been set on leaving for quite a while now for whatever the reasons

He's definitely not shown a lot in his games for us. He is obviously still pretty young but its difficult to see where exactly he would fit into a side and what his best position is going to be

Undoubtedly talent there though

It feel like there's been a shift from developing players for positions to favouring developing general technical ability which has led to a large number of young modern players just not seeming to have a clear role on the pitch.

HRK, Loader, Ejaria, Obita, Olise potentially... no idea what Boye thinks his position is...

I blame Barca and Spain.


interesting point, and I think thats exactly right. Definitely a lot less specialising in younger age groups now. For better or worse I don't know really

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Snowflake Royal » 30 Jun 2020 12:17

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Hound Its a shame how its all worked out really. Sounds like we spent a fair bit on his wages and his general development, and it is frustrating that he seems to have been set on leaving for quite a while now for whatever the reasons

He's definitely not shown a lot in his games for us. He is obviously still pretty young but its difficult to see where exactly he would fit into a side and what his best position is going to be

Undoubtedly talent there though

It feel like there's been a shift from developing players for positions to favouring developing general technical ability which has led to a large number of young modern players just not seeming to have a clear role on the pitch.

HRK, Loader, Ejaria, Obita, Olise potentially... no idea what Boye thinks his position is...

I blame Barca and Spain.


interesting point, and I think thats exactly right. Definitely a lot less specialising in younger age groups now. For better or worse I don't know really

I like the idea, I just think it needs to be rolled back a little.

Be nice to see a few more full backs who aren't just failed forwards who try hard, some twinkletoes who know how to hit the byline and cross etc.


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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Hound » 30 Jun 2020 12:24

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Snowflake Royal It feel like there's been a shift from developing players for positions to favouring developing general technical ability which has led to a large number of young modern players just not seeming to have a clear role on the pitch.

HRK, Loader, Ejaria, Obita, Olise potentially... no idea what Boye thinks his position is...

I blame Barca and Spain.


interesting point, and I think thats exactly right. Definitely a lot less specialising in younger age groups now. For better or worse I don't know really

I like the idea, I just think it needs to be rolled back a little.

Be nice to see a few more full backs who aren't just failed forwards who try hard, some twinkletoes who know how to hit the byline and cross etc.


just been reading up on it a bit recently. Apparently quite a few academies, maybe most, don't even specialise positions to about 16 years old nowadays.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Snowflake Royal » 30 Jun 2020 12:35

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interesting point, and I think thats exactly right. Definitely a lot less specialising in younger age groups now. For better or worse I don't know really

I like the idea, I just think it needs to be rolled back a little.

Be nice to see a few more full backs who aren't just failed forwards who try hard, some twinkletoes who know how to hit the byline and cross etc.


just been reading up on it a bit recently. Apparently quite a few academies, maybe most, don't even specialise positions to about 16 years old nowadays.

No wonder there's such a load who look a bit lost and the specialised skills are dying.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by sandman » 30 Jun 2020 12:36

https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/story-behind-danny-loaders-reading-18505830.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting from JLo.

Following the change in his representatives, however, BerkshireLive understands that the contract put to him was later accepted by Loader but the change in circumstances for the club as a result of the coronavirus pandemic - not to mention their precarious financial position - meant the December offer was no longer available.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by andrew1957 » 30 Jun 2020 15:43

sandman https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/story-behind-danny-loaders-reading-18505830.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting from JLo.

Following the change in his representatives, however, BerkshireLive understands that the contract put to him was later accepted by Loader but the change in circumstances for the club as a result of the coronavirus pandemic - not to mention their precarious financial position - meant the December offer was no longer available.


Reading between the lines RFC withdrew the new long term (presumably 2 year plus) contract but have offered at least a one year extension as the club web site says that Danny Loader had refused a short term extension until the end of the season, but a long term extension was still on the table.


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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Nameless » 30 Jun 2020 16:04

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sandman https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/story-behind-danny-loaders-reading-18505830.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting from JLo.

Following the change in his representatives, however, BerkshireLive understands that the contract put to him was later accepted by Loader but the change in circumstances for the club as a result of the coronavirus pandemic - not to mention their precarious financial position - meant the December offer was no longer available.


Reading between the lines RFC withdrew the new long term (presumably 2 year plus) contract but have offered at least a one year extension as the club web site says that Danny Loader had refused a short term extension until the end of the season, but a long term extension was still on the table.


There had to be a contract on offer at the same terms or better than his existing one or we would not receive any compensation.
From his point of view signing a short term or 1 year Deal was never going to happen.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by andrew1957 » 30 Jun 2020 16:58

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sandman https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/story-behind-danny-loaders-reading-18505830.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting from JLo.

Following the change in his representatives, however, BerkshireLive understands that the contract put to him was later accepted by Loader but the change in circumstances for the club as a result of the coronavirus pandemic - not to mention their precarious financial position - meant the December offer was no longer available.


Reading between the lines RFC withdrew the new long term (presumably 2 year plus) contract but have offered at least a one year extension as the club web site says that Danny Loader had refused a short term extension until the end of the season, but a long term extension was still on the table.


There had to be a contract on offer at the same terms or better than his existing one or we would not receive any compensation.
From his point of view signing a short term or 1 year Deal was never going to happen.


I assume that the deal referred to on the RFC website is for a one year extension on the same terms. Clearly he won't sign this deal but the fact that it is on offer should mean we are in line for compensation.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Hendo » 02 Jul 2020 14:31

https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/reading-fc-clear-out-continues-18529558

The clear-out at Reading continues as 14 youngsters have been released by the club.

The news comes after Danny Loader's departure on Tuesday after he refused to sign a contract extension with Royals.


U23 players Liam Driscoll, Lexus Beeden, Andre Burley, Marcel Elva-Fountaine, Ramarni Medford-Smith, Akinwale Odimayo, Werick Caetano, Ethan Coleman, Tyler Frost, Roberto Nditi, Ben House and Adam Liddle have all been let go.

U18s duo Emmanuel Obamakinwa and Pedro Neves have also left the club at the end of their scholarships.

First-team players Vito Mannone and Adrian Popa, who have been out on loan over the past year, will not be having their contracts renewed.

Meanwhile, the five loan players have all signed short-term contract extensions for the remainder of the season.

Lucas Boye, Ovie Ejaria, Pele, Ayub Masika and Matt Miazga will all remain with the club until the end of the campaign, which is due to be on Wednesday, July 22.

Goalkeepers Coniah Boyce-Clarke, 17, and James Holden, 18, have completed paperwork on deals which will keep them at the club on professional terms.

American striker Augustus McGiff, who turns 18 today (Thursday), has signed a professional contract with Royals following the culmination of his scholarship year.

U23s forward Femi Azeez has been offered a deal for next season.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Hound » 02 Jul 2020 14:43

no surprise they've had a big clear out. not time really, in fairness from what Ive seen, the likes of Liddle, House, Burley didnt really look up to it, and the others were all a well away really

Bet they are absolutely delighted to be seeing the back of Popa and Mannone. Scary how much those 2 have cost the club for very little in return

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Zip » 02 Jul 2020 17:09

sandman https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/story-behind-danny-loaders-reading-18505830.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting from JLo.

Following the change in his representatives, however, BerkshireLive understands that the contract put to him was later accepted by Loader but the change in circumstances for the club as a result of the coronavirus pandemic - not to mention their precarious financial position - meant the December offer was no longer available.


This certainly changes things. So Loader was willing to commit to a new deal after all. We have made a right mess of this since last summer.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Snowflake Royal » 02 Jul 2020 23:54

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sandman https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/story-behind-danny-loaders-reading-18505830.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting from JLo.

Following the change in his representatives, however, BerkshireLive understands that the contract put to him was later accepted by Loader but the change in circumstances for the club as a result of the coronavirus pandemic - not to mention their precarious financial position - meant the December offer was no longer available.


This certainly changes things. So Loader was willing to commit to a new deal after all. We have made a right mess of this since last summer.

We probably offered him a much better contract than he'd now warrant and we've still got a longer term deal on the table for him.

Really, how has he justified a decent offer? He's got 13(22) appearances and has looked shot shy and soft but with decent technique.

Yeah he's young, but you can't just handout decent contracts. He had a good scoring record at youth level. It's not just that he hasn't scored much at Championship level, he's rarely *looked* like scoring either.

He doesn't remotely look like he could lead the line and he's behind Ejaria and Olise in the hole behind a striker and never really got chosen to go wide for the first team.

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Re: Reading players out of contract in summer 2020

by Hound » 03 Jul 2020 09:22

not the most reliable of sources, but C Friday reckoned he was on a shit ton of wages as well.

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