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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Snowflake Royal » 28 May 2021 13:42

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Hound Actually made a bit of a profit on Bacuna which certainly improves that signing a bit

But yes a pretty dreadful set of signings that

Clement’s weren’t great either - what was it - Yiadom - yes very good, Meyler, Baldock. Anyone else? Last two prob cost a pretty big whack as well


Walker - pointless, wasn't awful and couldn't have been on high wages but just an unnecessary waste
Yiadom - decent signing, especially on a free
O'Shea - weird one - again, he wasn't awful on the pitch but wasn't needed - unless it was just a pathway to get him into coaching the next season
Meyler - could see the intention here actually - just didn't work
Eza - signed when it was clear Meyler wasn't up to it, looked fairly decent but then got injured
Sims - again, pointless, offered nothing
Baldock - read Meyler although offered more than he did
McNulty - bit of a gamble, didn't pay off - never really given the opportunities

Recruitment was, as you say, not great under Clement - although you could at least see the intention behind some of them, a bit of steel and experience added to the team in Meyler, Baldock and Yiadom. Negated to an extent by the signings of Walker and Sims - but most of these were either on a free or on lower wages (other than Baldock)


Clement's signings weren't good, but compared to previous ones they looked like they were actually part of a sensible plan.

Baldock was actually a good signing under Clement, too injury prone and signed for too long on too much money, but he had an impact under him. It was only after he didn't really contribute at all. Meyler looked like a perfect signing for one game then became absolute horseshit so you can see what he was trying to do, and acted quickly to sign Ezatolahi - who would have been good but for injury. Think McNulty was a victim of a big miss and then endless managerial change having been 'one for the future'.

But yeah, Yiadom stands out as an excellent signing amongst, in hindsight, almost exclusively poor ones thanks to injury, wages, contract length or pure shitness.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Zip » 28 May 2021 14:12

Hound Actually made a bit of a profit on Bacuna which certainly improves that signing a bit

But yes a pretty dreadful set of signings that

Clement’s weren’t great either - what was it - Yiadom - yes very good, Meyler, Baldock. Anyone else? Last two prob cost a pretty big whack as well


Christ Meyler. I’d actually forgotten about this God awful signing. A big part of the problem was that many of the 2017 signings were on good money. So we had a top heavy squad with players in big money. Shambolic.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by WestYorksRoyal » 28 May 2021 15:09

A woeful 18 months or so recruitment which we're still paying for now. My gripe with FFP is that it didn't stop us paying too much for mediocrity, making huge losses and becoming dependent upon our owners. But now they appear to be learning lessons and improving, it stops us making rational, sensible decisions like being able to offer competitive contracts to the likes of Osho, Richards and McIntyre. How is that fair, when it's already failed in keeping us sustainable?

People like to hold up Leicester as a good example of responsible, well run club with wealthy owners. But when they first took over they were a car crash; Sven and his team of overpaid big names were nowhere near the playoffs; they pissed £5.5m on Mills. They were able to learn, invest sensibly and look at them now.

I know we never predicted Richards pushing on this season like he has, but I also suspect the FFP straight-jacket was a big reason why we failed to offer him a deal last season. And now we're losing him for free.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Hound » 28 May 2021 15:25

WestYorksRoyal A woeful 18 months or so recruitment which we're still paying for now. My gripe with FFP is that it didn't stop us paying too much for mediocrity, making huge losses and becoming dependent upon our owners. But now they appear to be learning lessons and improving, it stops us making rational, sensible decisions like being able to offer competitive contracts to the likes of Osho, Richards and McIntyre. How is that fair, when it's already failed in keeping us sustainable?

People like to hold up Leicester as a good example of responsible, well run club with wealthy owners. But when they first took over they were a car crash; Sven and his team of overpaid big names were nowhere near the playoffs; they pissed £5.5m on Mills. They were able to learn, invest sensibly and look at them now.

I know we never predicted Richards pushing on this season like he has, but I also suspect the FFP straight-jacket was a big reason why we failed to offer him a deal last season. And now we're losing him for free.


its unfortunate - I guess the whole nature of how you spread the spending over the course of the contract etc just leads it to clubs being punished 3-4 years after they made the decisions which got them into the mess in the first place.

It'd feel very frustrating punishing us this year when we only paid money for one player last year, and were mainly made up of freebies and youth.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Snowflake Royal » 28 May 2021 18:34

WestYorksRoyal A woeful 18 months or so recruitment which we're still paying for now. My gripe with FFP is that it didn't stop us paying too much for mediocrity, making huge losses and becoming dependent upon our owners. But now they appear to be learning lessons and improving, it stops us making rational, sensible decisions like being able to offer competitive contracts to the likes of Osho, Richards and McIntyre. How is that fair, when it's already failed in keeping us sustainable?

People like to hold up Leicester as a good example of responsible, well run club with wealthy owners. But when they first took over they were a car crash; Sven and his team of overpaid big names were nowhere near the playoffs; they pissed £5.5m on Mills. They were able to learn, invest sensibly and look at them now.

I know we never predicted Richards pushing on this season like he has, but I also suspect the FFP straight-jacket was a big reason why we failed to offer him a deal last season. And now we're losing him for free.


The FL don't exist to tell you how to spend your money, but how much can be spent. If we want to piss it up the wall on aging mediocrity to the point we can't afford to hand out contracts to youth players, that's entirely our problem and easily solvable with some modicum of prudence and thinking ahead.

But in any case, there's no way we can compete with Bayern for Richards and he wasn't exactly high on the priority list for a contract last summer.

We don't know we're unable to offer McIntyre a contract he'll accept and Osho wasn't worth a bigger contract and hasn't been missed.


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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by WestYorksRoyal » 28 May 2021 20:01

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WestYorksRoyal A woeful 18 months or so recruitment which we're still paying for now. My gripe with FFP is that it didn't stop us paying too much for mediocrity, making huge losses and becoming dependent upon our owners. But now they appear to be learning lessons and improving, it stops us making rational, sensible decisions like being able to offer competitive contracts to the likes of Osho, Richards and McIntyre. How is that fair, when it's already failed in keeping us sustainable?

People like to hold up Leicester as a good example of responsible, well run club with wealthy owners. But when they first took over they were a car crash; Sven and his team of overpaid big names were nowhere near the playoffs; they pissed £5.5m on Mills. They were able to learn, invest sensibly and look at them now.

I know we never predicted Richards pushing on this season like he has, but I also suspect the FFP straight-jacket was a big reason why we failed to offer him a deal last season. And now we're losing him for free.


The FL don't exist to tell you how to spend your money, but how much can be spent. If we want to piss it up the wall on aging mediocrity to the point we can't afford to hand out contracts to youth players, that's entirely our problem and easily solvable with some modicum of prudence and thinking ahead.

But in any case, there's no way we can compete with Bayern for Richards and he wasn't exactly high on the priority list for a contract last summer.

We don't know we're unable to offer McIntyre a contract he'll accept and Osho wasn't worth a bigger contract and hasn't been missed.

But I guess what is the point of FFP? If it's to stop clubs living unsustainably and relying upon wealthy owners it has failed with us.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Lower West » 28 May 2021 21:50

Osho was loaned out by Luton to Yeovil then Rochdale last season. Seems as if they took a punt that didn't work out either. A lot more to be factored in than just a brief number of appearances on the pitch.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Snowflake Royal » 28 May 2021 23:37

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WestYorksRoyal A woeful 18 months or so recruitment which we're still paying for now. My gripe with FFP is that it didn't stop us paying too much for mediocrity, making huge losses and becoming dependent upon our owners. But now they appear to be learning lessons and improving, it stops us making rational, sensible decisions like being able to offer competitive contracts to the likes of Osho, Richards and McIntyre. How is that fair, when it's already failed in keeping us sustainable?

People like to hold up Leicester as a good example of responsible, well run club with wealthy owners. But when they first took over they were a car crash; Sven and his team of overpaid big names were nowhere near the playoffs; they pissed £5.5m on Mills. They were able to learn, invest sensibly and look at them now.

I know we never predicted Richards pushing on this season like he has, but I also suspect the FFP straight-jacket was a big reason why we failed to offer him a deal last season. And now we're losing him for free.


The FL don't exist to tell you how to spend your money, but how much can be spent. If we want to piss it up the wall on aging mediocrity to the point we can't afford to hand out contracts to youth players, that's entirely our problem and easily solvable with some modicum of prudence and thinking ahead.

But in any case, there's no way we can compete with Bayern for Richards and he wasn't exactly high on the priority list for a contract last summer.

We don't know we're unable to offer McIntyre a contract he'll accept and Osho wasn't worth a bigger contract and hasn't been missed.

But I guess what is the point of FFP? If it's to stop clubs living unsustainably and relying upon wealthy owners it has failed with us.

It's allowed us to go so far, and then the breaks have crashed on. Without it, we'd probably be another £40m - £50m worse off and full steam ahead at an iceberg.

Just think, would Gourlay have gone if FFP hadn't been a huge looming crisis? How many more Aluko's, Mannone's and Popa's would we have signed?

You think we'd have picked up Laurent and played Olise, McIntyre and Holmes?

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by PieEater » 29 May 2021 13:05

WestYorksRoyal People like to hold up Leicester as a good example of responsible, well run club with wealthy owners. But when they first took over they were a car crash; Sven and his team of overpaid big names were nowhere near the playoffs; they pissed £5.5m on Mills. They were able to learn, invest sensibly and look at them now.
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I'm not sure I'd hold Leicester up as a good example of a responsible club, the points deductions were brought in because of their financial shenanigans that allowed them to keep the same team and get promoted. They literally cheated to get promoted in 2003 by wiping out a £30m debt with no penalty. That stain won't ever wash away.


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by Mid Sussex Royal » 29 May 2021 19:28

Hound Actually made a bit of a profit on Bacuna which certainly improves that signing a bit

But yes a pretty dreadful set of signings that

Clement’s weren’t great either - what was it - Yiadom - yes very good, Meyler, Baldock. Anyone else? Last two prob cost a pretty big whack as well


Pretty sure we'd been in for Yiadom before but waited until he was out of contract, similar to Laurent and Bowen

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Stranded » 31 May 2021 09:22

Meyler would have been a great signing but sadly his now well documented mental illness at the time he joined us meant we never got to see the real him and lead to his early retirement.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Notts Royal » 31 May 2021 19:25

Stranded Meyler would have been a great signing but sadly his now well documented mental illness at the time he joined us meant we never got to see the real him and lead to his early retirement.


He took a lot of unwarranted stick on social media too which can’t have helped him. You wonder why these professionals put themselves on there though

He seemed a sensible enough signing at the time but it just didn’t work out

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by CountryRoyal » 31 May 2021 23:45

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Stranded Meyler would have been a great signing but sadly his now well documented mental illness at the time he joined us meant we never got to see the real him and lead to his early retirement.


He took a lot of unwarranted stick on social media too which can’t have helped him. You wonder why these professionals put themselves on there though

He seemed a sensible enough signing at the time but it just didn’t work out


He was shit.


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by Stranded » 01 Jun 2021 00:45

Always good to have the tennis fans in.

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Stranded Meyler would have been a great signing but sadly his now well documented mental illness at the time he joined us meant we never got to see the real him and lead to his early retirement.


He took a lot of unwarranted stick on social media too which can’t have helped him. You wonder why these professionals put themselves on there though

He seemed a sensible enough signing at the time but it just didn’t work out


He was shit.

Yes, we covered that and moved on to a tiny bit more detail.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by WestYorksRoyal » 01 Jun 2021 12:14

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WestYorksRoyal People like to hold up Leicester as a good example of responsible, well run club with wealthy owners. But when they first took over they were a car crash; Sven and his team of overpaid big names were nowhere near the playoffs; they pissed £5.5m on Mills. They were able to learn, invest sensibly and look at them now.
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I'm not sure I'd hold Leicester up as a good example of a responsible club, the points deductions were brought in because of their financial shenanigans that allowed them to keep the same team and get promoted. They literally cheated to get promoted in 2003 by wiping out a £30m debt with no penalty. That stain won't ever wash away.

Won the league in 2016, consistently at the top of the table playing decent football, just won the FA Cup and all while raking in big transfer fees on Maguire, Chilwell, Mahrez, Kante and Drinkwater. I'd say they're pretty well run these days.

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by paultheroyal » 01 Jun 2021 15:40

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Stranded Meyler would have been a great signing but sadly his now well documented mental illness at the time he joined us meant we never got to see the real him and lead to his early retirement.


He took a lot of unwarranted stick on social media too which can’t have helped him. You wonder why these professionals put themselves on there though

He seemed a sensible enough signing at the time but it just didn’t work out


You can add to a long list of players we have signed/contracted who had good careers or went on to have good careers who we happened to destroy.

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by Winston Biscuit » 21 Feb 2022 08:40

Started for Bayern yesterday and has made enough appearances to qualify for a league winners medal, if they win it.

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by Stranded » 21 Feb 2022 09:05

Winston Biscuit Started for Bayern yesterday and has made enough appearances to qualify for a league winners medal, when they win it.


Edited for you.

Pulled off at half time though as they were losing to the bottom club before turning it around in the 2nd half.

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Re: Rumour - Richards to Everton

by Pepe the Horseman » 21 Feb 2022 09:47

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Winston Biscuit Started for Bayern yesterday and has made enough appearances to qualify for a league winners medal, when they win it.


Edited for you.

Pulled off at half time though as they were losing to the bottom club before turning it around in the 2nd half.

Any idea what the locals think of him? Reckon he'll still be there next season?

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