by Forbury Lion » 05 Jun 2019 09:35
by Wallsy » 05 Jun 2019 10:38
by Hound » 05 Jun 2019 12:34
by WoodleyRoyal » 05 Jun 2019 13:11
by El Diablo » 05 Jun 2019 13:11
Hound I quite liked Joey in his interview but getting a bit bored of his ‘didn’t want leaders’ thing
Basically Clement made it clear there wasn’t any leadership on the pitch before he came and that was pretty evident in our dismal fall down the table. If Joey was a ‘leader’ as he claims to be, he really wasn’t doing a very good job of it
by muirinho » 05 Jun 2019 13:55
El DiabloHound I quite liked Joey in his interview but getting a bit bored of his ‘didn’t want leaders’ thing
Basically Clement made it clear there wasn’t any leadership on the pitch before he came and that was pretty evident in our dismal fall down the table. If Joey was a ‘leader’ as he claims to be, he really wasn’t doing a very good job of it
+1 - Indeed , you wouldnt expect a 'Leader' to be bad mouthing a previous employer to the general public either ...there are always two sides to a story
by Hound » 05 Jun 2019 15:36
by Sutekh » 05 Jun 2019 16:00
by muirinho » 05 Jun 2019 17:21
Hound I think they are pretty much the same thing. The players signed by PC for example were rightly or wrongly bought into resolve that. Would still get round to whatever opinions they were giving in training were having zero affect from the outside at least
A harsher way of putting it that maybe both Yann and Joey were bitter they were no longer deemed good enough. 2 knackered out past it players giving it large in training probably wasn't going down too well
by Hound » 05 Jun 2019 17:40
by Nameless » 06 Jun 2019 07:35
by Denver Royal » 06 Jun 2019 15:10
muirinho It's telling that the only player that seemed upset with Clement leaving was Meite, and that presumably was because he was the first Reading manager to give him a chance. (And I wouldn't blame Stam for not doing so either, he's not exactly polished now, but he was very very raw before he went out on loan).
Be good to hear an interview about Clement's time with, say, Liam Moore in 10 years time..
by URZZZZ » 06 Jun 2019 16:32
Nameless Sounds to like there’s is an element of self justification in what VDB is saying. He doesn’t have a great record as a player having got fed up and quit the game previously. He didn’t display much leadership while he was here and rarely did much to justify his place in the team or he ‘best ever contract’. These interviews may be in part him trying to justify his time here (as much to himself as anyone).
Very similar to O’Shea in some ways in that O’Shea really didn’t do enough on the pitch to justify his signing but has been universally praised for his attitude off the pitch etc etc. No one seems to have been coming out to say how influential Joey was....
by Hound » 06 Jun 2019 17:31
URZZZZ Unfortunately as he was Dutch, it meant you're twice as likely to be criticised.
by URZZZZ » 06 Jun 2019 18:49
HoundURZZZZ Unfortunately as he was Dutch, it meant you're twice as likely to be criticised.
Nope, that’s the nonsense
by Hound » 06 Jun 2019 19:20
by Zip » 06 Jun 2019 19:26
Hound I haven’t noticed any particular bias due to nationality to be honest. Swift and Gunter seem to get the brunt of the abuse over the last couple of years, maybe with a bit of Kelly thrown in
Joey was very decent first year, rubbish (like everyone else pretty much) in his second
by Snowflake Royal » 06 Jun 2019 19:39
Hound I think they are pretty much the same thing. The players signed by PC for example were rightly or wrongly bought into resolve that. Would still get round to whatever opinions they were giving in training were having zero affect from the outside at least
A harsher way of putting it that maybe both Yann and Joey were bitter they were no longer deemed good enough. 2 knackered out past it players giving it large in training probably wasn't going down too well
by Nameless » 07 Jun 2019 08:05
URZZZZNameless Sounds to like there’s is an element of self justification in what VDB is saying. He doesn’t have a great record as a player having got fed up and quit the game previously. He didn’t display much leadership while he was here and rarely did much to justify his place in the team or he ‘best ever contract’. These interviews may be in part him trying to justify his time here (as much to himself as anyone).
Very similar to O’Shea in some ways in that O’Shea really didn’t do enough on the pitch to justify his signing but has been universally praised for his attitude off the pitch etc etc. No one seems to have been coming out to say how influential Joey was....
Nonsense. He justified his time here by putting in many a good performance in his first season. Yep, second season was found out, but who wasn't? Unfortunately as he was Dutch, it meant you're twice as likely to be criticised.
by URZZZZ » 08 Jun 2019 01:17
NamelessURZZZZNameless Sounds to like there’s is an element of self justification in what VDB is saying. He doesn’t have a great record as a player having got fed up and quit the game previously. He didn’t display much leadership while he was here and rarely did much to justify his place in the team or he ‘best ever contract’. These interviews may be in part him trying to justify his time here (as much to himself as anyone).
Very similar to O’Shea in some ways in that O’Shea really didn’t do enough on the pitch to justify his signing but has been universally praised for his attitude off the pitch etc etc. No one seems to have been coming out to say how influential Joey was....
Nonsense. He justified his time here by putting in many a good performance in his first season. Yep, second season was found out, but who wasn't? Unfortunately as he was Dutch, it meant you're twice as likely to be criticised.
Good of you to preface your comments by warning us of the standard of analysis.
Dumb comment about the Dutch lads getting extra stick, simply untrue.
Taken overall Joey didn’t have a great time with us and he should shoulder his share of the blame. Interesting to compare his comments with Myler’s, much more respect for Myler putting his hands up and accepting criticism.
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