by Snowball » 03 Jan 2020 10:27
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by Hound » 03 Jan 2020 10:58
by Snowball » 03 Jan 2020 11:02
by Hound » 03 Jan 2020 11:14
by 3points » 03 Jan 2020 11:45
by Snowball » 03 Jan 2020 11:51
3points it's scary that there are about 85 players worse than Joao Virginia!
by NewCorkSeth » 03 Jan 2020 12:00
Hound I love whoscored, but I do think you need to be a little careful with how much you take from it. I'm not quite sure on some of their points formulas, but the one I noticed recently was Rino getting a 6.0 when he didn't even touch the ball in 20 mins on the pitch.
Unless they score/assist, subs seem to always rate between about 6 and 6.3
I do think it gives to much additional rating to scoring as well. Someone can play abysmally, score a lucky goal and end up with a 7.5 (Meite vs Brum for example - though the goal wasn't lucky on that occasion )
We've seemed to have ranked quite highly in games when I thought we looked woeful as well (again Birmingham - team ranked .2 less despite being totally outplayed at times) - maybe because we were completing a high passing percentage, despite not causing any trouble to the oppo whatsoever.
Still nice to see Swift and Ejaria right up there in the rankings. Considering Swift managed a 4 in one game when he was sent off as well...
by URZZZZ » 03 Jan 2020 12:01
Snowball3points it's scary that there are about 85 players worse than Joao Virginia!
He must have made a save
by Snowflake Royal » 03 Jan 2020 12:06
Snowball Looked at player ratings:
See note on Joao
Swift is top-dog ATM, Ejaria not far behind. For Reading alone
Joao is 6.99 but I added his goal for Wednesday and nudged him
up a little to reflect that. Surprised he is getting a goal every
194 minutes, and if only goals/assists were what mattered, he
would come out as more productive than Swift!
The ho-hum signing Morrison is scoring better than Moore
and Miazga.
Blackett, Gunter and Adam are FLYING up the rankings!
I don't get why Puscas is as low as he is. A strike rate of a goal every
222 minutes is hardly shabby, and he is still our top scorer.
McCleary's minutes aren't enough, but the ones he's played have been
very productive. Maybe he could play RW instead of Meite?
Loader comes almost bottom of the almost 600 players
I think Boye is better thatn the 23rd/24th percentile
001 99.99% 7.52 5 7 1,644 0,329 0,137 Swift
013 97.82% 7.31 3 3 1,830 0,610 0,305 Ejaria
034 94.30% 7.10 6 3 1,161 0,194 0,129 Joao
064 89.26% 6.99 1 3 1,596 1,596 0,399 Yiadom
086 85.57% 6.94 0 3 0,536 9,999 0,179 Blackett
095 84.06% 6.92 2 0 1,993 0,997 0,997 Morrison
136 77.18% 6.83 0 0 0,630 9,999 9,999 Gunter
144 75.84% 6.83 0 0 0,292 9,999 9,999 McIntyre
148 75.17% 6.82 2 1 0,509 0,255 0,170 Adam
157 73.66% 6.80 1 0 1,250 1,250 1,250 Miazga
159 73.32% 6.80 0 0 2,218 9,999 9,999 Moore
197 66.95% 6.74 0 0 1,334 9,999 9,999 Richards
203 65.94% 6.73 0 0 2,070 9,999 9,999 Cabral
209 64.93% 6.72 4 0 1,252 0,313 0,313 Meite
268 55.03% 6.64 0 1 1,220 9,999 1,220 Pele
289 51.51% 6.62 2 0 0,507 0,254 0,254 Baldock
336 43.62% 6.55 6 0 1,331 0,222 0,222 Puscas
373 37.42% 6.49 0 0 1,438 9,999 9,999 Rhino
422 29.19% 6.41 1 1 0,278 0,278 0,139 McCleary
440 26.17% 6.38 1 0 0,441 0,441 0,441 Obita
454 23.83% 6.36 0 0 0,568 9,999 9,999 Boye
469 21.31% 6.33 0 1 0,181 9,999 0,181 Barrett
514 13.76% 6.22 0 0 0,180 9,999 9,999 Virginia
533 10.57% 6.16 0 1 0,042 9,999 0,042 Olise
541 09.23% 6.12 0 0 0,090 9,999 9,999 Barrow
579 02.85% 5.95 0 0 0,107 9,999 9,999 Loader
594 00.34% 5.87 0 0 0,005 9,999 9,999 Novakovich
by Hound » 03 Jan 2020 12:28
NewCorkSethHound I love whoscored, but I do think you need to be a little careful with how much you take from it. I'm not quite sure on some of their points formulas, but the one I noticed recently was Rino getting a 6.0 when he didn't even touch the ball in 20 mins on the pitch.
Unless they score/assist, subs seem to always rate between about 6 and 6.3
I do think it gives to much additional rating to scoring as well. Someone can play abysmally, score a lucky goal and end up with a 7.5 (Meite vs Brum for example - though the goal wasn't lucky on that occasion )
We've seemed to have ranked quite highly in games when I thought we looked woeful as well (again Birmingham - team ranked .2 less despite being totally outplayed at times) - maybe because we were completing a high passing percentage, despite not causing any trouble to the oppo whatsoever.
Still nice to see Swift and Ejaria right up there in the rankings. Considering Swift managed a 4 in one game when he was sent off as well...
Subs have been known to score higher based on factors other than goals or assists. Not that it's a good metric but hitting the bar, clearing a goal on the line, high aerial duels won. It is tough to impress under their ratings as a sub but it is equally difficult for a player like Rinomhota to score well. He doesnt play as defensively as Pele and doesnt play as attacking as Swift so he will rarely show up well statistically despite often playing a vital role.
by NewCorkSeth » 03 Jan 2020 12:29
HoundNewCorkSethHound I love whoscored, but I do think you need to be a little careful with how much you take from it. I'm not quite sure on some of their points formulas, but the one I noticed recently was Rino getting a 6.0 when he didn't even touch the ball in 20 mins on the pitch.
Unless they score/assist, subs seem to always rate between about 6 and 6.3
I do think it gives to much additional rating to scoring as well. Someone can play abysmally, score a lucky goal and end up with a 7.5 (Meite vs Brum for example - though the goal wasn't lucky on that occasion )
We've seemed to have ranked quite highly in games when I thought we looked woeful as well (again Birmingham - team ranked .2 less despite being totally outplayed at times) - maybe because we were completing a high passing percentage, despite not causing any trouble to the oppo whatsoever.
Still nice to see Swift and Ejaria right up there in the rankings. Considering Swift managed a 4 in one game when he was sent off as well...
Subs have been known to score higher based on factors other than goals or assists. Not that it's a good metric but hitting the bar, clearing a goal on the line, high aerial duels won. It is tough to impress under their ratings as a sub but it is equally difficult for a player like Rinomhota to score well. He doesnt play as defensively as Pele and doesnt play as attacking as Swift so he will rarely show up well statistically despite often playing a vital role.
Rino rated well last year if I remember rightly
by muirinho » 03 Jan 2020 13:48
by Snowflake Royal » 03 Jan 2020 14:25
muirinho whoscored rates "successful" interactions rather than "good" interactions, or "non" interactions, so tends to favour particular styles of play - Ratings need to be taken with a large handful of salt.
E.g., a player with good alertness and positioning who shepherds an attacker to the corner flag and that attacker loses the ball over the endline - the defender will get nothing from whoscored for that, because they didn't touch the ball.
whereas a player with poor positioning who dives in with a last ditch tackle that he's lucky to get away with - that will be a successful tackle, and they'll get a score.
Similarly the kind of midfielder who plays short safe passes that go nowhere will get a better rating than the kind who is always putting balls ahead of the attackers for them to run on to - they'll get downgraded because a lot don't come off - but I know which kind of midfielder I'd prefer.
Pretty sure that subs get set at 6.0 when they join the fray - if they do absolutely nothing except wander around the pitch sight-seeing they're still a 6!
It has its uses for comparing specific things - but I wouldn't put much faith in its rating system.
by Nameless » 03 Jan 2020 15:56
by NewCorkSeth » 03 Jan 2020 16:01
Nameless Rafael seems to be ridiculously lowly ranked. Presumably he’s not doing well on assists, goals scored, tackles or passes completed ?
How meaningful is a ranking of things that are utterly different ?
Cricket has separate rankings for batsmen and bowlers, how can you rank a goal scoring centre forward gains. Goal keeper or a defensive midfielder ?
by Snowball » 03 Jan 2020 16:05
NewCorkSethNameless Rafael seems to be ridiculously lowly ranked. Presumably he’s not doing well on assists, goals scored, tackles or passes completed ?
How meaningful is a ranking of things that are utterly different ?
Cricket has separate rankings for batsmen and bowlers, how can you rank a goal scoring centre forward gains. Goal keeper or a defensive midfielder ?
Goalkeepers are scored differently... he is low because he wasnt saving shots, had a poor pass completion rate and had made errors.
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