by Hound » 23 Mar 2020 14:50
by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Mar 2020 15:54
by Snowball » 23 Mar 2020 16:09
by Snowball » 23 Mar 2020 16:14
WestYorksRoyal
But these are future debates. The idea that we should sacrifice half a million people to protect the economy is immoral and vile; I'm pretty sure we all know somebody vulnerable who would essentially be sentenced to death following that approach. Get a grip people.
by Snowball » 23 Mar 2020 16:18
andrew1957
Approximately 150,000 people die EVERY DAY in the world and yet we have virtually shut down the global economy for 10,000 or so COVID-19 deaths - many of whom were older people who were already extremely ill in hospitals - which have become a hot bed of infection.
by Millsy » 23 Mar 2020 16:24
by Millsy » 23 Mar 2020 16:25
UkeHound What is the overlap to people who would have died anyway?
100%
by Wycombe Royal » 23 Mar 2020 16:26
Snowballandrew1957
Approximately 150,000 people die EVERY DAY in the world and yet we have virtually shut down the global economy for 10,000 or so COVID-19 deaths - many of whom were older people who were already extremely ill in hospitals - which have become a hot bed of infection.
Did you just INVENT that?
I'm pretty sure the PHE papers I've been reading are talking
about hospital admissions due to Covid-19.
So far, as far as I can recall, the only hospital-caught cases
have been nurses and doctors.
if what you say above is correct, where is the evidence?
EDIT:
I have found one mention of two patients tested in hospital
(King's) where at the time of the article it was uncertain where
they had contracted it. (The SUN)
I can't find any official references to suggest non-coved patients are being infected in hospital
by krapmle » 23 Mar 2020 16:30
by Snowball » 23 Mar 2020 16:36
by Snowball » 23 Mar 2020 16:36
Wycombe RoyalSnowballandrew1957
Approximately 150,000 people die EVERY DAY in the world and yet we have virtually shut down the global economy for 10,000 or so COVID-19 deaths - many of whom were older people who were already extremely ill in hospitals - which have become a hot bed of infection.
Did you just INVENT that?
I'm pretty sure the PHE papers I've been reading are talking
about hospital admissions due to Covid-19.
So far, as far as I can recall, the only hospital-caught cases
have been nurses and doctors.
if what you say above is correct, where is the evidence?
EDIT:
I have found one mention of two patients tested in hospital
(King's) where at the time of the article it was uncertain where
they had contracted it. (The SUN)
I can't find any official references to suggest non-coved patients are being infected in hospital
He didn't say in the UK.....
by krapmle » 23 Mar 2020 16:39
SnowballWestYorksRoyal
But these are future debates. The idea that we should sacrifice half a million people to protect the economy is immoral and vile; I'm pretty sure we all know somebody vulnerable who would essentially be sentenced to death following that approach. Get a grip people.
Well said
by windermereROYAL » 23 Mar 2020 16:42
by krapmle » 23 Mar 2020 16:45
windermereROYAL 5.7% mortality rate now, its going up, but you need to keep in my mind only hospitalised patients are being tested.
by Snowball » 23 Mar 2020 16:53
krapmle
Thats not what I am saying. I am questioning the sudden rise in morality for a virus that will ultimately kill less people than flu.
by krapmle » 23 Mar 2020 16:58
Snowballkrapmle
Thats not what I am saying. I am questioning the sudden rise in morality for a virus that will ultimately kill less people than flu.
Coronavirus is already killing at a rate 17 times season flu, and that is ON TOP OF the seasonal flu deaths
So, right now we are at an 18-Fold increase in deaths, and today WHO announced that the pandemic is accelerating
by Snowball » 23 Mar 2020 17:19
krapmleSnowballkrapmle
Thats not what I am saying. I am questioning the sudden rise in morality for a virus that will ultimately kill less people than flu.
Coronavirus is already killing at a rate 17 times season flu, and that is ON TOP OF the seasonal flu deaths
So, right now we are at an 18-Fold increase in deaths, and today WHO announced that the pandemic is accelerating
FLU will kill more. Its virtually impossible to catch up with flu death rates.
So why doesn't humanity do more?
by tmesis » 23 Mar 2020 17:33
krapmleSnowballWestYorksRoyal
But these are future debates. The idea that we should sacrifice half a million people to protect the economy is immoral and vile; I'm pretty sure we all know somebody vulnerable who would essentially be sentenced to death following that approach. Get a grip people.
Well said
Even if covoid takes out 500,000 this year, Flu will overtake that..
by Linden Jones' Tash » 23 Mar 2020 18:42
by SCIAG » 23 Mar 2020 18:50
WestYorksRoyal I guess the economic fall out from this will only kill people if it's tied to neo-liberal austerity doctrine. The government will have to borrow loads to keep businesses afloat and people fed, to the extent that debt will take 50+ years to pay off.
The same happened in WW2, but we came out of it with solidarity and built our welfare state. It's easy to romanticize the government at the time, but in reality rationing continued into the 1950s to pay for it. Everybody contributed.
Compare this with the financial crisis. Corporation tax and higher rate income tax are lower now than the 90s and 00s; the vulnerable paid for our debt and, yes, people died because of it.
So, we are currently amidst one of our greatest peacetime crises. Of course the government should do whatever it takes to save 500k + lives; I can't believe anybody is debating this.
The question is, once this has blown over, who pays? I think we all should and will happily pay more tax. And if we follow this approach
nobody has to die. To be honest, looking at the past 5 years politically, I think any party looking towards the Thatcherite/Osborne model to pay it off will take a pasting. There will probably be a willingness from the electorate for higher taxes you wouldn't normally see.
But these are future debates. The idea that we should sacrifice half a million people to protect the economy is immoral and vile; I'm pretty sure we all know somebody vulnerable who would essentially be sentenced to death following that approach. Get a grip people.
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