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Referees

by Westwood52 » 21 Feb 2021 15:30

I can’t stand Liverpool FC ;probably because I grew up with them winning the League nearly every year.However,how can that be a penalty for Everton’s second goal ? TAA is just lying on the ground,when Calvert Lewin just goes over him.As to the Sheffield U penalty claim;on balance it clearly is a penalty;although I can understand the Ref missing it in real time.But thats what VAR is for isn’t it ?
It was funny last week in the Test,when the Indian 4th umpire completely screwed up DRS.The cricket wallahs have been harping on about how efficient DRS is over VAR,then that happens.TBF in both instances it’s the official behind the screen who screws up the decision not the technology itself.
I have long argued and for once agree with Souness that it is the process in developing referees that has gone wrong.When we were able to go to Reading games,historically if we had more than three good referees across a season,we were doing well.At EFL level some are absolute shockers.

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Re: Referees

by JR » 21 Feb 2021 19:02

Personally I’m glad the introduction of VAR hasn’t lessened the debate on refereeing decisions.

I was anti-VAR (and still am), with one of the main reasons being that I felt the base assumption that perfect refereeing decisions is good for the game, was incorrect.

As football fans we love debating about the ref and listening to phone-ins and pundits agonise over decisions. At times we hate decisions that go against our own team, but it’s part of what we love about the game.

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Re: Referees

by Jack Celliers » 21 Feb 2021 19:25

Football has always been better with better referees, and that is still true with VAR. However, better referees are not necessarily going to produce more decisions that you agree with, because so many football decisions are subjective.

I thought that Calvert-Lewin was brought down by Trent's thigh and it was a fairly clear cut penalty, but with the Sheff Utd handball the ball hadn't travelled far enough for it to be a penalty. For me the red card was the controversial one - 50 yards out ffs.

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Re: Referees

by SCIAG » 21 Feb 2021 22:41

Firstly :arrow: WWFS

Westwood52 I can’t stand Liverpool FC ;probably because I grew up with them winning the League nearly every year.However,how can that be a penalty for Everton’s second goal ? TAA is just lying on the ground,when Calvert Lewin just goes over him.

You’re describing a foul. There is no need for any trip to be deliberate. Trent was lucky to stay on the pitch.

Disagree strongly on the quality of referees. Suspect the main reason Souness thinks there is an issue is because he’s an idiot who has never refereed a game in his life or even looked at a law book. There’s only been one or two shocking performances from our referees this season, so they’re more consistent than Joao but less consistent than Morrison. There will always be things we disagree on, but the laws give the referee an awful lot of discretion. I haven’t seen any performances that have made me think that someone is the new Michael Oliver or Anthony Taylor (although the game where an opposition player got sent off for handling on the line probably comes into contention) but aside from the game where we had four penalties turned down in the second half (at least two incorrectly) I can’t think of many times a referee lost control of a game or made an awful decision.

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Re: Referees

by Franconian Royal » 22 Feb 2021 09:00

Have to say that the refereeing in the UK has been atrocious for many years.

I mean, just look at the pool of Prem refs, they are the same idiots every week. I'm not even sure that any of the refs played footie, let alone know the rules properly.

I'm going to give my 10p worth and call me names all you like. I think he refs that we've been assigned in recent weeks have been at the bottom of the bottom. There were numerous 50/50s at the weekend where I thought that the ref gave too easily. Was João fouled numerous times by Fry at the weekend? Yes, I think he was. What happened to protecting the players? Fry was literally pushing him around. This is probably the reason why Porno and Moore had a go at the ref at HT.

In my opinion, VAR should also be used in the FL as well as Prem. It's not right that there are contentious decisions every week and we don't have VAR to fall back on. BUT, and this shows that I've been playing Footie Manager for too long, it should be used properly and not just for the sake of it. IF, the decision is still too hard to decide on, then VAR shouldn't be used to solve that issue (whether it be pen, red card, offside goal etc).


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Re: Referees

by Snowflake Royal » 22 Feb 2021 12:11

Franconian Royal I'm not even sure that any of the refs played footie, let alone know the rules properly.

LOL

Like most of the players have even looked at the laws of the game let alone know them. Half the managers aren't a lot better.

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Re: Referees

by Nameless » 22 Feb 2021 13:33

There’s good and bad refs. Unfortunately they often get judged by people with no qualifications to make that judgement. People who think that ‘not having played the game’ is any reason why referees aren’t able to do their job , and don’t see the irony that ‘not having referees a game’ seems to be no bar to slagging officials off.
Refereeing is hard, and it must’ve about the only sport where those participating actually go out of their way to make it harder ! The prevailing attitude amongst players and managers is shockingly poor and getting steadily worse. Referees do not set out to make wrong decisions but players and managers set out to cheat....

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Re: Referees

by paultheroyal » 23 Feb 2021 13:46

it is nothing to do with developing referee's. Referee's are as good now as they were back then. If there is a slight drop in standards its because they are recruiting them young and they are starting out to young so you are not getting the mid 30s guy coming through like you did back in the 90s etc.

This debate about promoting ex players needs to stop too. They will never pay anymore and you are not going to get an ex pro from League 1 earning 2k a week taking up refereeing for £400 a match or running the line for half of that either.

Refereeing and decisions are scrutinised so much more now making the problems in spectators eyes worse than it actually is. Years gone by you would argue about a ball over the line, a blatant push by a player missed for a penalty but now we seem to be debating the odd tackle here and there.

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by paultheroyal » 23 Feb 2021 13:52

Franconian Royal Have to say that the refereeing in the UK has been atrocious for many years.

I mean, just look at the pool of Prem refs, they are the same idiots every week. I'm not even sure that any of the refs played footie, let alone know the rules properly.

I'm going to give my 10p worth and call me names all you like. I think he refs that we've been assigned in recent weeks have been at the bottom of the bottom. There were numerous 50/50s at the weekend where I thought that the ref gave too easily. Was João fouled numerous times by Fry at the weekend? Yes, I think he was. What happened to protecting the players? Fry was literally pushing him around. This is probably the reason why Porno and Moore had a go at the ref at HT.

In my opinion, VAR should also be used in the FL as well as Prem. It's not right that there are contentious decisions every week and we don't have VAR to fall back on. BUT, and this shows that I've been playing Footie Manager for too long, it should be used properly and not just for the sake of it. IF, the decision is still too hard to decide on, then VAR shouldn't be used to solve that issue (whether it be pen, red card, offside goal etc).


This comment is full of soundbites, cliches and pretty much anything else other than actual content or facts to back up what you are saying. 99.9% of ref's have played football at some time in their life. Referee's are treated atrociously behind the scenes, literally like the bottom of their shoe. Not allowed to speak to the media, blanked at boardroom level and we see the disregard and abuse they take from players and fans week on week. Yes you have the elite refs who are paid a fair wage at Prem Level but end of the day it is a hobby or second job to those at Championship level.

Whether phone calls at home (hope you can sleep at night) letter in post (we know where your daughter lives) followed home in car needing police escort are all worth it for the total lack of respect they get is a matter of opinion. (all those things i have experienced).

Refereeing more than now need to be cut some slack.


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by paultheroyal » 23 Feb 2021 14:05

Best referee in the world....



and then there is the treatment of Darren Drysdale.

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by Nameless » 23 Feb 2021 14:30

paultheroyal
Franconian Royal Have to say that the refereeing in the UK has been atrocious for many years.

I mean, just look at the pool of Prem refs, they are the same idiots every week. I'm not even sure that any of the refs played footie, let alone know the rules properly.

I'm going to give my 10p worth and call me names all you like. I think he refs that we've been assigned in recent weeks have been at the bottom of the bottom. There were numerous 50/50s at the weekend where I thought that the ref gave too easily. Was João fouled numerous times by Fry at the weekend? Yes, I think he was. What happened to protecting the players? Fry was literally pushing him around. This is probably the reason why Porno and Moore had a go at the ref at HT.

In my opinion, VAR should also be used in the FL as well as Prem. It's not right that there are contentious decisions every week and we don't have VAR to fall back on. BUT, and this shows that I've been playing Footie Manager for too long, it should be used properly and not just for the sake of it. IF, the decision is still too hard to decide on, then VAR shouldn't be used to solve that issue (whether it be pen, red card, offside goal etc).


This comment is full of soundbites, cliches and pretty much anything else other than actual content or facts to back up what you are saying. 99.9% of ref's have played football at some time in their life. Referee's are treated atrociously behind the scenes, literally like the bottom of their shoe. Not allowed to speak to the media, blanked at boardroom level and we see the disregard and abuse they take from players and fans week on week. Yes you have the elite refs who are paid a fair wage at Prem Level but end of the day it is a hobby or second job to those at Championship level.

Whether phone calls at home (hope you can sleep at night) letter in post (we know where your daughter lives) followed home in car needing police escort are all worth it for the total lack of respect they get is a matter of opinion. (all those things i have experienced).

Refereeing more than now need to be cut some slack.


Bad treatment of referees is nothing new. I qualified when I was very young (there was actually no minimum age at that time and the local RA asked lots of questions at FA level to find out if I could qualify, and then if I could ref and as there were no rules anywhere they just let me get on with it). I was doing a youth game at Prospect one Sunday and on the next pitch was a match involving the son of a former Reading player. The father was watching and took exception to a decision I made. He shouted from the touchline (remember his son was playing in the other game), after the game he marched on to the pitch and had another go at me and then as I was changing he burst into the dres8ng room and carried on his abuse. I was about 14 and he was big guy but I told him to get out. His response was ‘do you know who I am ?’. I did, but wasn’t going to,pander to his ego so I said I didn’t and told him Imwould report him and asked his name. I walked away and I did report him but despite support from the RA the BBFA did absolutely nothing. Heard so many other stories of refs at all levels getting horrendous verbal and physical abuse with little support. I think it’s better now- as a club sec we had a few issues and had a zero tolerance policy for coaches, players and parents who abused officials.

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Re: Referees

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Feb 2021 18:52

paultheroyal Best referee in the world....



and then there is the treatment of Darren Drysdale.

brought it on themselves alongside the authorities by letting players get away with treating them like dirt and eroding standards of sportsmanship and fair play.

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