And in another scenario, we kept attacking Italy and lost the final 3-1. Football isn't binary. Re the above, I forgot Palmer too. We really do have an incredible core of young players - I think Trent is the oldest of the seven or eight, and is only 25. For once I am in agreement with you on someth...

We did our best. We can hold our heads high Yeah. Impossible situation when your two biggest players are shit all tournament and a negative to the whole team constantly. Kane is gonna be a scapegoat. Best he stays in Germany. He really is poor. As for Bellingham, I know he's young but I expected mo...

The ref apparently said it wasn't a penalty (to Dumfries) and VAR changed the decision. Whatever the truth of the matter, I hate it when games are decided by such decisions. Almost enough to put me off football entirely. I hate the Netherlands as a squad, country and people, but I have to say Tulip...

The ref apparently said it wasn't a penalty (to Dumfries) and VAR changed the decision. Whatever the truth of the matter, I hate it when games are decided by such decisions. Almost enough to put me off football entirely. That’s clearly rubbish because HE was the one that changed the decision All VA...

The ref apparently said it wasn't a penalty (to Dumfries) and VAR changed the decision. Whatever the truth of the matter, I hate it when games are decided by such decisions.
Almost enough to put me off football entirely.

Enjoy your celebrations. Atleast I'll not be disturbed by fireworks going off tonight.

#h8 Holland #h8 Tulip Nasty like the German team I see. The irony of saying that under a picture of a Dutch player spitting at a German player. :lol: Followed by Weghorst's first action being raking an achilles. :lol: And how is that in any way to do with me personally? That comment was personal an...

You can’t do anything as a defender these days Rem the glory days when you could spit in each other's hair https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/5/21/1400705629781/9013d552-6220-486d-9c79-c6af9776e3c6-2060x1236.jpeg?width=300&quality=45&auto=format&fit=ma...

England looking best in that half, but dodgy penalty.

Bookies don't agree The bookies ask the Germans who they are supporting? England have a slightly higher win_expectation than the Dutch based on actual numbers that matter The Dutch media are hardly unbiased in this situation. I reckon if English press did the same thing we'd show the German fans th...

Germans hate the Dutch (understandable) more than the English, right St.P? They are mostly supporting the Netherlands as the team most likely to beat the Spanish (still smarting from losing in the quarters). Or so the Dutch media are reporting anyway. The hatred is more Dutch towards Germans than t...

Germans hate the Dutch (understandable) more than the English, right St.P? They are mostly supporting the Netherlands as the team most likely to beat the Spanish (still smarting from losing in the quarters). Or so the Dutch media are reporting anyway. Bookies don't agree The bookies ask the Germans...

BRO_BOT Germans hate the Dutch (understandable) more than the English, right St.P?

They are mostly supporting the Netherlands as the team most likely to beat the Spanish (still smarting from losing in the quarters). Or so the Dutch media are reporting anyway.

De Ligt, De Jong (big loss), Blind and a couple of others. Pre-tournament injuries Been missing the whole tournament though. Blind played a few minutes in the the quarters and de Ligt is on the bench. My point was more along the lines of if you're missing key players you're not 'really' the 7th-ran...

I'm hoping that the Netherlands are missing too many key individuals to be any good Who are the "too many key individuals"? De Ligt, De Jong (big loss), Blind and a couple of others. Pre-tournament injuries Been missing the whole tournament though. Blind played a few minutes in the the qu...

LUX France were certainly unable to trouble them. But Spain were not as good as in the first half,

France closed them down somewhat in the second half, but have had problems scoring in the whole tournament.

LUX Scary for England. And Holland. These two teams are different class.

Spain are a different class. It's weird that the BBC commentators have only just noticed.

Stunning goal

Tulip's adopted nation does play good football and can still win so its a bit different for her. You have two teams, one is dreadful to watch and the other decent, you're going to quite easily fall on the side of wanting entertainment over dreadful victory. Yes, fair assessment. I also love the Ora...

Looks like it. May the best team win! Isn't it a case of being old ,when winning isn't everything? Add me to your list of those that want to be entertained and if the end result is also what we prefer then even better. Ooof. Well, I'm okay with that but are you going to take that tulip? :D I am old...